This is too vague for you?
Just where are you supposing they submit it and to who? They have already done all they are required to do and then some. It exists, it has been varified by reliable outside sources, and it doesn't even make sense that he would have run if the story was true. You would really have to be both biased and blind to continue such a ridiculous story.They should just submit that bad boy and be done with it.
Just where are you supposing they submit it and to who?
That's not a Birth Certificate.
Looks like now a federal court.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.
No, there's no requirement they submit anything to a federal court.
The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents [3
Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Birth Registration"
Why should he need to do that? The certificate he has is legal and verifiable proof that the long form exists. There is no information on the long form that is required to establish he citizenship.Now just provide the long form infromation (birth certificate) and we can all go on with arguing 9mm VS .45ACP....or such.
Why should he need to do that? The certificate he has is legal and verifiable proof that the long form exists. There is no information on the long form that is required to establish he citizenship.
The sitting judge does not necessarily think in such thing. At this stage all he has done is pretty much say that the paperwork was completed properly to file suit. He has not made any judgment on merit.Apparently the sitting judge thinks the present document of live birth is not good enough to eliminate legal questions.
Because it is a sleazy ruse. It does not matter if the story is completely made up if you can get enough gullible people to repeat it. As this thread makes obvious, some people are more than willing to believe a lie aven when countered with the truth.But why go through all this effort by making arguments why the complete document should not be presented?
Why should he need to do that? The certificate he has is legal and verifiable proof that the long form exists. There is no information on the long form that is required to establish he citizenship.
People repeating this fabrication are verging on moving from disingenuous to outright disgusting. It is such a transparent ploy. It doesn't matter if it is a lie as long as you can get people to repeat it. It is right out of Carl Roves playbook and it is part of what will turn the middle of the road person against the republican party even further and will assure Obama's victory.
See, there is where you are making your first mistake. He did prove he was an American. He produced the same certificate any of us would be able to produce. The problem is he gave proof and the right wing nutjobs tried to deny it was real. When it was confirmed it is indeed real they try to cloud the issue further by asking why is it not the long form. When it is shown that the long form is not required, nor even issued to an individual, they think of some other reason to try to keep the lie alive.You'd think any proud American accused of not being an American would be insulted and jump at the first opportunity to remove all doubt. To do otherwise is simply un-American.
Because it is a sleazy ruse.
If the case ever gets to that stage I am sure a copy will be produced and the case will be dismissed. That will still not stop the right wing wackos. They will then just start claiming it was a fake and that the judge was a left wing sympathizer. If you allow yourself to get dragged into such sleazy games there is no way to win. It is best to stay above them.Again, poor argument. Not going to work in court. Just produce the documents and stop all this expenditure of energy.