Outback Steakhouse in Fairfax does NOT want our money

Open carry.

I always kind of thought that the following was true.

open carry + hold-up = I should go hold up something else.

This seems even more likely if the BG is armed with a non-gun weapon (bat, knife, etc.)

Also, if the BG is attempting a quick smash and grab he's not going to notice your weapon.
In a crowded, usually dimly lit (outback is notorious for that) restaurant, he may not even see your weapon unless you are sitting near an aisle.

Open carry does not equal indiscreet carry.
 
KONY - If ya'll do that shoot then go to Outback with guns thing, please let me know ahead of time. I don't have a pistol yet, but it would be funny as hell to watch the hostesses and manger's faces when ya'll walk in :D
 
A criminal amped up on anything doesn't need any sort of excuse to start shooting.

HOLY CRAP HE'S GOT A KNIFE! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!

Just how many individuals carrying openly have been shot immediately during the commencement of a robbery?

Arizona has had open carry for a lot longer than Virginia, and as far as I can tell, it's never happened there.

You're in a dark restaurant, full of people, sitting in a booth. What are the real chances that someone is going to see your handgun, target you, and shoot you all before you know there's a robbery occurring?

I don't buy it. It's a trite, trivial, argument, not much different than "You can't allow CCWs, that will just put more guns in peoples' hands, and that will just mean shootouts over minor traffic incidents and rivers of blood flowing in the street."
 
> Well, if a criminal is all amped up on adrenaline, he might over react to a gun being on someone. If he/she is gonna start shooting, it would make sense to shoot the person who has a gun.

I repeat: PROOF PLEASE. We all know about opinions and "everybody knows" and "somebody might do this-or-that."

Nope. I want to see documented evidence of a trend. So far, I have yet to hear of ONE documented case.
 
I have got no problem with someone carrying a concealed gun, and don't have a problem with someone carrying a gun in a situation where they are likely to need it, but I can appreciate a restaurant owner being uncomfortable if someone walks in with a hog leg on his hip at night.
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Well, thanks to the emotional nonsense among Virginia lawmakers, patrons of a restaurant have no choice but to carry openly if they don't want to render themselves defenseless.

I'll be interested to see what happens if a disarmed patron of a restaurant is killed by her ex-husband who followed her there.

Do you think the restaurant should be held liable by the victim's estate for her murder?
 
I'll be interested to see what happens if a disarmed patron of a restaurant is killed by her ex-husband who followed her there.

Do you think the restaurant should be held liable by the victim's estate for her murder?
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No. Sorry, but no. The woman made the decision to enter the restaurant. The restaurant said that they don't allow guns. It was her decision to eat there anyway.

Now, I'm not saying that there wouldn't be a case. The restaurant did deny her a constitutional right. Legally, they could be held liable. Maybe. :D
 
thats frustrating, Iam a tea toter, but enjoy a really good meal. here in AZ I find myself eating at home alot ! as we can not carry in Booze places. :(

the good news is , Iam a better than average cook. and I save fifteen to twenty bucks in tip money :)

from another perspective: I was a bouncer for five years in a live band bar, and after squelching , two or three drunken brawls per week, I would not work in a bar where they allowed guns or knives.
 
Antis get punished, allies get rewarded:

Luke, I nominate the 50 Lone Star for Friday dining. Mike, care to join us?

(we'll all have to wear our Smith & Wesson's for his benefit ;) )
 
Guess what...

"Joey the owner" and told that "we can't allow guns here. would you mind leaving it in your car?"
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I wonder If this Joey punk says the same thing to uniformed police officers that come into his little feifdom to break bread - what a no-nut loser...

It never ceases to amaze me how in our so-called "culture" our 2A rights are the red-headed b@st@rd child, while a "woman's right to choose" and a so-called journalist's 1A rights are cause for nuclear war.

GUESS WHAT A**HOLES - GUN OWNERS HAVE "THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE" TOO. We have the right to choose to exercise our 2A right to not be a victim of violent crime by carrying a firearm!!! :D :D :D
 
Shoot 'n Eat

If you guys do the Friday night shoot 'n eat, post the results here, please.

It will be interesting to know wether or not this d!(k tries to run off a group.

I wish I could be there, give 'em a smart-a$$ed remark for me, would ya? :D
 
Rights are important. So is common sence if we want to protect them. I don't know Kony from Adam, I am sure he is sane, but I do not know this for certain, I have no idea if he is safe with a firearm, I don't know if he has a drinking or drug problem, I also do not know why he is carrying in a restaurant at night.

I would not stay in the restaurant and eat and I am sure a lot of diners would not as well.

If you want to carry in such a situation keep it out of sight.
 
Rights are important. So is common sence if we want to protect them. I don't know Kony from Adam, I am sure he is sane, but I do not know this for certain, I have no idea if he is safe with a firearm, I don't know if he has a drinking or drug problem, I also do not know why he is carrying in a restaurant at night.

I would not stay in the restaurant and eat and I am sure a lot of diners would not as well.

If you want to carry in such a situation keep it out of sight.

Remember the Supreme Court has made it clear it is not an absolute right- and I respect that firearm ownership is regarded by the second amendment as a final means of protecting US democracy- as such you have a right to own firearms - but I fail to see what nexus packing in a diner has to do with a 'well regulated militia' as we are 'not at war' at the moment and a 'minuteman'- ready in a minute argument does not apply.

I think if people do not respond with some sensitivity to the desires of other diners your governments will restrict carry rights. Sorry but we have to be sensible about this.
 
LD - I am sorry but I respoectfully disagree with you. I went recently into a Virginia restaurant - OPEN CARRY this summer - and there was no screaming and calling the police, nobody left and I got really good service:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170283&highlight=Open

Above is the thread.

I do not know what state you are in, but its really presumptious of you to think that people WOULD MIND if a gunowner excercised his rights to carry.

Would you leave if an armed policeman showed up to eat dinner?

Can you show us any statistical evidence that a person who eats in a restaurant where open carry is allowed is in more danger than one where it is not? (From the law abiding gunowners....I believe this is an old outdated attitude that has to change.)
 
Lawyer Daggit
I would not stay in the restaurant and eat and I am sure a lot of diners would not as well.
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He was following the law.ITS the LAW in VA. Your as bad as the anti people OH! Look a GUN run dear he might shoot us. B.S. If you have a Permit I belive you should turn it in as your belong on other side. :mad:
 
> I would not stay in the restaurant and eat and I am sure a lot of diners would not as well.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
 
A bit self centered?

I don't know Kony from Adam, I am sure he is sane, but I do not know this for certain, I have no idea if he is safe with a firearm, I don't know if he has a drinking or drug problem, I also do not know why he is carrying in a restaurant at night.
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So, since you (or others) don't know him, he shouldn't carry?
Maybe he does have a drug problem.
Maybe he is an alcoholic.
Maybe he is insane.
And maybe, JUST MAYBE, he is a citizen who wants to eat out with his family, who enjoys the comfort of his firearm as he watches Joe Blow drink himself into oblivion at the bar, wondering what Joe will do to his wife and kids in the parking lot?
MAYBE, he wants to spend time with his family without having to sprint from the door to the car in fear of the group of bikers (or street racers, or gangbangers....) that just pulled up.

Remember the Supreme Court has made it clear it is not an absolute right- and I respect that firearm ownership is regarded by the second amendment as a final means of protecting US democracy- as such you have a right to own firearms - but I fail to see what nexus packing in a diner has to do with a 'well regulated militia' as we are 'not at war' at the moment and a 'minuteman'- ready in a minute argument does not apply
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So, one should only carry if the threat of invasion or oppression is at hand? Do you carry at work? At Wal-Mart? How about driving in your car? Following your logic, all of these would be unacceptable. It is also unacceptable to assume that we should lock our guns away in assumption that when an invasion or government oppression comes, it will be well publicized so that we the public will have time to react.

Your arguments seem to suggest that there is little appropriate reason to carry a gun, as we have nothing to fear at the time. Certainly not terrorists, extremists, hate groups, or criminals :rolleyes:

Perhaps you could make your position a bit more clear for us?
 
I am not anti at all. I guess I am in an occupation where I see things going wrong all the time and as a former range officer in a gun club I have also seen mistakes happen in some peoples handling of guns. If a cop walked into the restaurant carrying openly I would be comfortable with this- I know he has been trained.

I resent the suggestion I should turn in my permit- there are obviously people here who don't care about one basic freedom but not about another-freedom of speech and other people's right to having an opinion- I respect the fact that you have a contrary opinion even if I do not agree with it. Why can't you respect mine. I am not asking you to agree with me, just to debate with civility.
 
38- EVERY Friday is a Shoot and Eat in NoVA. Ya'll from other states DO practice that frequently too, right ? :D

update: 08/04/05 I got a call back from the regional and restaurant managers. They both, unequivocally prohibited guns in not just this Outback, but all in NoVA.

Kony is a personal friend, is of sound mind and body, practices regularly, and displays sound judgment. We frequently open carry in the same establishments, on a practically weekly basis. NOBODY, has EVER left a restaurant on our account. I've carried by myself, and with 28 of my closest carrying friends and with varying numbers in between and not once has anyone gotten so bent out of shape that they bailed on our behalf that anyone could observe.


Think about it this way. The Second Amendment was designed to protect the very extreme most premise of "bearing arms". It was not intended to protect the home hunting guns, it was meant to protect the foremost exercise of that right - carrying arms. Some in the community consider that type of rights exercise to be 'extreme' almost considering it "hate-carry".

To accept that the Constitution protects the right to bear arms at all, one must also accept that it protects BEARING ARMS, not just keeping them, or the rights enumerated in the Constitution are meaningless.

Oh yeah... the cop angle. I'd be willing to bet most of the citizens I know who carry practice more in a month that most cops do in a year. :rolleyes:


LD, I don't mean this as a personal attack and I hope you don't interpret it that way but...

I resent the suggestion I should turn in my permit- there are obviously people here who don't care about one basic freedom but not about another-freedom of speech and other people's right to having an opinion- I respect the fact that you have a contrary opinion even if I do not agree with it. Why can't you respect mine. I am not asking you to agree with me, just to debate with civility.


This has to be the most hypocritical statement ever made by a permit holder in the history of the Republic. You chide someone for "not respecting your (actually the board belongs to someone else) right to free speech" yet the speech of which you type is that which advocates not respecting the rights of others to bear arms... :confused:

So you respect your freedom to speak your peace. But not Kony's freedom to protect his peace.
 
Very well said Smurf.

I will do my best to meet all of you @ the NRA on Friday. How do you identify yourselves to new members of the Open Carry Eat out club?

:D
 
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