Outback Steakhouse in Fairfax does NOT want our money
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Lawyer Daggit
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I have got no problem with someone carrying a concealed gun, and don't have a problem with someone carrying a gun in a situation where they are likely to need it, but I can appreciate a restaurant owner being uncomfortable if someone walks in with a hog leg on his hip at night.
Other diners are likely to think 'who is this dude' is he looking for trouble? and it may make them feel uncomfortable.
There is a time and a place for everything, and shooting irons at the dinner table, or in places where alcohol is served, is not one of them.
Sorry, I stongly advocate the right to bear arms, but I think it needs to be tempered with a degree of common sence, particularly when the gun is carried openly.
Other diners are likely to think 'who is this dude' is he looking for trouble? and it may make them feel uncomfortable.
There is a time and a place for everything, and shooting irons at the dinner table, or in places where alcohol is served, is not one of them.
Sorry, I stongly advocate the right to bear arms, but I think it needs to be tempered with a degree of common sence, particularly when the gun is carried openly.
Thank you for choosing where I can carry, Lawyer. I wish I had the good sense to choose for myself. I mean, what was I thinking, right??
I apologize for my sarcasm but this is EXACTLY why gun-owners have to FIGHT for their RIGHTS ... because even within our own community, we have people who are willing to give them up.
Compromise.
Sir,
It is exactly this attitude of compromise that has lost us so much ground on so many 2nd Amendment issues. If we as gun owners are asked, and agree, to compromise when and where we carry, or how, we will be asked to compromise on many other issues as well. It is the attitude of compromise that brought the '94 AWB, the magazine capacity restrictions in some states, and the ever changing firearms climate in California, New York, Chicago, and other areas notorious for restrictions on firearms and firearm owners.
It is not reasonable to ask someone to compromise their personal protection at the convenience of others.
I can understand the owner's dismay, and can understand KONY's choice to dine at another establishment. I cannot understand your recommendation that one simply not carry. While you may not personally find it acceptable, no is required to surrender their rights during meal times.
If it is Outback's policy to disallow weapons, don't eat there. The owner makes a choice, the consumer responds. Capitalism. Go to another restaurant, enjoy your rights (not privileges), and be thankful you can exercise them.
If we compromise, we lose our rights a peice at a time. I do not wish to sound offensive, but giving up a right so that I don't offend someone is not acceptable. If that is the case, then liberals should waive their right to free speech in public.
Sir,
It is exactly this attitude of compromise that has lost us so much ground on so many 2nd Amendment issues. If we as gun owners are asked, and agree, to compromise when and where we carry, or how, we will be asked to compromise on many other issues as well. It is the attitude of compromise that brought the '94 AWB, the magazine capacity restrictions in some states, and the ever changing firearms climate in California, New York, Chicago, and other areas notorious for restrictions on firearms and firearm owners.
It is not reasonable to ask someone to compromise their personal protection at the convenience of others.
I can understand the owner's dismay, and can understand KONY's choice to dine at another establishment. I cannot understand your recommendation that one simply not carry. While you may not personally find it acceptable, no is required to surrender their rights during meal times.
If it is Outback's policy to disallow weapons, don't eat there. The owner makes a choice, the consumer responds. Capitalism. Go to another restaurant, enjoy your rights (not privileges), and be thankful you can exercise them.
If we compromise, we lose our rights a peice at a time. I do not wish to sound offensive, but giving up a right so that I don't offend someone is not acceptable. If that is the case, then liberals should waive their right to free speech in public.
jburtonpdx
New member
I fully support a business making there own decision about firearms on there property. Just like I support an individuals option to eat at any establishment they choose.
I would rather see the restrictive laws regarding carry just plain old removed. Then as far as the private business is concerned - vote with your dollars and the business will make the apropriate decission.
Put it this way - if you come to my house I expect you to take off your shoes before walking on my carpet. Its a rule that everyone abides in my house.
I would rather see the restrictive laws regarding carry just plain old removed. Then as far as the private business is concerned - vote with your dollars and the business will make the apropriate decission.
Put it this way - if you come to my house I expect you to take off your shoes before walking on my carpet. Its a rule that everyone abides in my house.
This is the VA gun that always conflicts with me.
On the one hand, I understand what they're shooting for. They don't want people getting drunk at a bar if they have gun. But they haven't prevented that by allowing the gun to be carried openly. All they've done is make people nervous.
Now if they would like to rewrite the law saying that you cannot be consuming alchol (or maybe over a BAC limit) and carry, that may be better. Something to write to the Rep. over
I know exactly where these guys are talking about in VA. I live near there. I go to George Mason Univ. I am a little suprised that a place like Logan's Roadhouse doesn't allow firearms. How can a place with the word Roadhouse in its name not??
Anyway, I'm a little suprised by Outback being weird about it. Its not like its really well lit. I wouldn't be suprised if most of the time, no one noticed.
On the one hand, I understand what they're shooting for. They don't want people getting drunk at a bar if they have gun. But they haven't prevented that by allowing the gun to be carried openly. All they've done is make people nervous.
Now if they would like to rewrite the law saying that you cannot be consuming alchol (or maybe over a BAC limit) and carry, that may be better. Something to write to the Rep. over
I know exactly where these guys are talking about in VA. I live near there. I go to George Mason Univ. I am a little suprised that a place like Logan's Roadhouse doesn't allow firearms. How can a place with the word Roadhouse in its name not??
Anyway, I'm a little suprised by Outback being weird about it. Its not like its really well lit. I wouldn't be suprised if most of the time, no one noticed.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Anyone up for a group trip to the NRA Range followed by an armed excursion to the Fairfax Outback for dinner?
A group of 8 or 10 potential patrons walking out is going to make a much larger financial message than 2 people walking out.
A group of 8 or 10 potential patrons walking out is going to make a much larger financial message than 2 people walking out.
Mike Irwin
Staff
"There is a time and a place for everything, and shooting irons at the dinner table, or in places where alcohol is served, is not one of them."
Wow. Simply by virtue of the fact that alcohol is SERVED (never mind that there are, I believe, laws against consuming while armed) it's a bad situation?
What, a contact high from beer fumes is going to make one of us go off the deep ending and start practicing quick draws?
"Sorry, I stongly advocate the right to bear arms, but I think it needs to be tempered with a degree of common sence, particularly when the gun is carried openly."
No, no sir, you apparently DON'T strongly advocate RKBA. What Kony was doing is, under Virginia code, 100% legal.
Wow. Simply by virtue of the fact that alcohol is SERVED (never mind that there are, I believe, laws against consuming while armed) it's a bad situation?
What, a contact high from beer fumes is going to make one of us go off the deep ending and start practicing quick draws?
"Sorry, I stongly advocate the right to bear arms, but I think it needs to be tempered with a degree of common sence, particularly when the gun is carried openly."
No, no sir, you apparently DON'T strongly advocate RKBA. What Kony was doing is, under Virginia code, 100% legal.
Funny, uniformed LEO's open carry all the time. Why would they put their lives at risk? Just a thought that is going on your "tactics" argument.
Mike, we shoot at the NRA every Friday so please join us. We're usually there around 6PM and head out for dinner, afterwards. You can check out the HUGE NoVA thread over at thehighroad.org's "rally point" forum by clicking below.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=1828860#post1828860
Mike Irwin
Staff
I don't visit THR, so this is the first I've heard of a regular Friday shoot.
I'll see if I can make it this coming Friday.
I'll see if I can make it this coming Friday.
chris in va
New member
I'm always so glad when I eat out in West Virginia. Concealed carry with VA permit is allowed.
Yep I did an open carry in a local Japanese restaurant here in Reston, VA: Right off Glade and Reston parkway near the safeway shopping center: Great service they were very accomodating.
Kony that Friday shoot sounds good. I might have to hop over the join you guys.
Yeah lets band together and show that Outback what they will be missing. Hate these anti-gun schmucks.
Kony that Friday shoot sounds good. I might have to hop over the join you guys.
Yeah lets band together and show that Outback what they will be missing. Hate these anti-gun schmucks.
Carry in restaurant
Daggit;
I take it you are not familar with the minor incident at the Luby's cafeteria in Texas several years ago, where some skul walked in and killed 15-20 people, while they were dining.
This incident and the surviving woman who watched her parents murdered and started a non stop campaign for CC in Texas are the primary forces leading to the CC law in Texas.
Don
Daggit;
I take it you are not familar with the minor incident at the Luby's cafeteria in Texas several years ago, where some skul walked in and killed 15-20 people, while they were dining.
This incident and the surviving woman who watched her parents murdered and started a non stop campaign for CC in Texas are the primary forces leading to the CC law in Texas.
Don
Well, if a criminal is all amped up on adrenaline, he might over react to a gun being on someone. If he/she is gonna start shooting, it would make sense to shoot the person who has a gun.
Think about it if it were reversed. If there was a hold up, and two guys came in but only one of them was armed. Who would you shoot first?