McCain Selects Alaska Gov. Palin as Running Mate

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You try going to Harvard law school - or any law school for that matter - and tell me it's simply a pedigree.

Been there, done that. A JD is now just a ticket to be punched and initials expected to be on a resume.

As for Harvard, it's hard to get into (unless you know the right people) but it's also an easy place to cruise in. All too many of the Ivy League schools don't like kicking people out.
 
As for Harvard, it's hard to get into (unless you know the right people) but it's also an easy place to cruise in. All too many of the Ivy League schools don't like kicking people out.

Harvard Law School is an extremely competitive arena where students are graded against each other. Go sail through Harvard. :D
 
Max - are we to believe you aren't a Mc cain fan???

LOL yup can't stand the guy on a personal or political level. I think the Republicans had plenty of better candidates than this old codger.
 
For all the fighting about Obama, I find it interesting that you dimed him out to take guns in this thread:

Yes, I'm aware of his gun control positions but I just don't think he would have the power to ban guns even if he made an attempt. Heller gives pro gun citizens a leg to stand on in the Supreme Court.

I can't vote for John McCain on his best day. I won't tolerate four more years of George W. Bush. Sorry.

Barack Obama is as ready to be president as anyone could be. He's a learned scholar, a man faithful to his family, a community leader. I don't agree with everything he says or does in reality and practice I'm more of a classical liberal. But given the choice, I would take Obama over four more years of the same failed Bush policies. I don't think John McCain will lead our nation's economy, welfare, and defense in the right direction. I believe John McCain is as immoral as Bill Clinton, or even moreso on a personal level. There are many people like me in the electorate and we'll just have to wait until November to see how it all unfolds. Meanwhile I'll be havin fun at the gun club. :)
 
Heller gives pro gun citizens a leg to stand on in the Supreme Court

Until he selects another Justice . . .

I won't tolerate four more years of George W. Bush.

I too am a bit disappointed with his kissing up to President Bush whose politics I do not care for. However, I have to say, I really like Sarah Palin's record, and traditionally, I have liked McCain's. I personally believe some of the closeness with Bush came from McCain trying to make sure the Republican Party would back him. He is the Maverick you know. Sarah Palin is one herself. My kind of ticket I'm starting to think.
 
Yes, I'm aware of his gun control positions but I just don't think he would have the power to ban guns even if he made an attempt. Heller gives pro gun citizens a leg to stand on in the Supreme Court.

Here we go again. The same old repeated mantra. Don't worry Obama will never get people like Kennedy to introduce new anti gun legislation. And Obama would never appoint anti gun justices to supreme court openings. (The Heller decision was not unanimous).

Sorry, gun owners are a little smarter than that. Now if you just want to vote for Obama, OK. Just leave out the part where it will not hurt gun owners.
 
Copenhagen's last post says it perfectly... (on Heller and on the McCain / Palin ticket).

Madmag's 100% right, there should be lots of concern about being lulled into believing Heller slams the door on gun control.
 
I too am a bit disappointed with his kissing up to President Bush whose politics I do not care for. However, I have to say, I really like Sarah Palin's record, and traditionally, I have liked McCain's. I personally believe some of the closeness with Bush came from McCain trying to make sure the Republican Party would back him. He is the Maverick you know. Sarah Palin is one herself. My kind of ticket I'm starting to think.

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. Sarah Palin, to me, just appears to be a vanilla run of the mill politician. She's not going to do anything bold to threaten the electorate and will most likely satisfy the Republican voting base. If she can do that, then she's done her job for McCain. However, I've yet to see any reason how she would "lock up" this election for McCain. I see McCain as a very dirty man, politically and personally. His associations with k street lobbyists is detailed herein:

On the stump, Sen. John McCain has touted his work tackling the excesses of the lobbying industry to bolster his reputation as a "maverick" reformer.

"Ask Jack Abramoff if I'm an insider in Washington," McCain often contends. "You'd probably have to go during visiting hours in the prison, and he'll tell you and his lobbyist cronies of the change I made there."

But how much change did McCain actually effect? And is he all that removed from Washington's special interests?

A review of campaign finance filings shows that the Arizona Republican has accepted more than $100,000 in donations from employees of Greenberg Traurig, the very firm where Abramoff once reigned.

Those donations include several thousand dollars from registered lobbyists who represent, or have represented, businesses such as NewsCorp, Rupert Murdoch's media empire; Spi Spirits, a Cyprus based company that has fought with the Russian government for the rights to the Stolichnaya vodka brand name; El Paso Corp, a major energy company; General Motors; and the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, a group of businesses and trade associations "concerned" about the shortage of lesser skilled and unskilled labor.

All told, McCain has received more than $400,000 from lobbying firms, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And among his major fundraisers ("bundlers") 59 have been identified as lobbyists by the non-profit organization Public Citizen.

There is nothing illegal about these contributions. But campaign watchdog groups and McCain's opponents view them as more than just a reflection of political irony. McCain, they argue, has on occasion been far more bark than bite when it comes to taking on lobbying interests.

Indeed, this past week, the Democratic National Committee put together a memo challenging McCain's assertion that he was a corruption hound while investigating Abramoff. The document and some government watchdog groups note that while McCain put pressure on Jack Abramoff and several prominent Republicans, he also went out of his way during the Indian Affairs Committee hearing to spare his congressional colleagues.

"Although Sen. McCain has long bragged of his role in the Abramoff investigation, he let Tom DeLay and the other members of Congress who were doing Abramoff's bidding completely off the hook. The sole exception was Rep. Bob Ney, who is now serving time in prison," said Melanie Sloan, Executive Director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics In Washington. "Sen. McCain knew what his colleagues were up to, he chose to take the easier path and give them a free pass."

Neither McCain's office nor the Indian Affairs Committee returned requests for comment. In the past, McCain has claimed that it was not his responsibility to "involve ourselves in the ethics process [of Senators]." A source close to the investigation, who asked to speak anonymously so as to maintain his political neutrality, defended McCain's work as proper and effective. So did Paul Miller, the director of the American League of Lobbyists at the time of the Abramoff hearings.

"I think if you look at the report that Senator McCain and his committee, it was a bipartisan 16-0 vote to approve that report," Miller told the Huffington Post. "Yes, Bob Ney was the focus in some of these hearings, because he was one with the most evidence [against him]. But Senator McCain has not shied from taking anyone on, on this issue."

At well over 350 pages, the report was thorough, exploring layers of corruption that had allowed Indian tribes to part with tens of millions of dollars in search of political favors. But it did not include the names of prominent U.S. Senators with Abramoff ties, such as Conrad Burns and David Vitter, or for that matter Bush strategist Karl Rove, who accepted gifts from and met with Abramoff clients.

And while the report pushed for greater transparency and accountability, towards the end, McCain and the other authors seemingly put the onus for change not on Congress itself, but on the tribes that Abramoff bilked.

"Although the Committee does not believe that additional federal legislation is required to address Abramoff and Scanlon's misconduct," the report reads, "it does recommend that tribes consider adopting their own laws to help prevent a similar tragedy... The Committee strongly encourages those tribes that have not adopted such [good-government] laws and regulations to enact law and regulations that embrace the principles contained in the following recommendations. The Committee notes, however, that it is not recommending that Congress enact legislation mandating tribes to enact laws dealing with these subjects..."

Barack Obama just isn't tainted in the way McCain is. I don't like his FISA position but it appears to me that he will at least take away some of the executive branch's intrusion into American citizens' private lives. And I prefer his economic policy. McCain is the definition of same old, same old. It's time for him to retire.
 
I personally believe some of the closeness with Bush came from McCain trying to make sure the Republican Party would back him.

So saying anything to get elected is damnable if it's a Democrat but good (or at least acceptable) from a Republican?

Sorry, gun owners are a little smarter than that. Now if you just want to vote for Obama, OK. Just leave out the part where it will not hurt gun owners.

This. I'm a (lukewarm) Obama supporter. I think, for the country as a whole, we'll be better off in 4 or 8 years (hopefully 4) with Obama than with McCain. But that's for the country as a whole. For gunowners? It's a roll of the dice at best, and the stakes are arguable.

EDIT: And to join the choir, Heller was not unanimous, and it is hardly the sweeping protection of gun rights as a whole some claim it is. It was a fairly narrow ruling, which will probably require support from future rulings (possibly with Obama justices sitting) to truly protect us.
 
Sorry, gun owners are a little smarter than that. Now if you just want to vote for Obama, OK. Just leave out the part where it will not hurt gun owners.

Show me where Barack Obama is going to take away your shotgun or your handgun? Show me how he's going to accomplish that. I'm a gun owner and I don't feel threatened by Barack Obama.
 
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SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST? HOW MUCH RESEARCH HAVE YOU REALLY DONE ON OBAMA? IT AMAZES ME THAT EVERYONE SITS HERE AND COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT HE HAS SAID OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WHY DON'T YOU GO AND READ ABOUT HIS REAL BELIEFS? HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN A DEMOCRACY! HE BELIEVES IN SOCIALISM! I APPLAUD HIS WORK WITH THE NEEDY. IF YOU ARE NOT GIVING BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY SHAME ON YOU! BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LEGISLATED! I DO NOT WANT SOMEONE GETTING IN OFFICE AND REDISTRIBUTING WHAT LITTLE I HAVE TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT WILLING TO GET THEIR B*&TS UP AND GO TO WORK! HE IS A NIGHTMARE WAITING TO HAPPEN.

I voted for Bush both times...it is not something I say lightly because I am not proud of what he has represented over at least the last 4 years. BUT I CAN NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA! HE IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Rather than throwing stones at the new Rep VEEP why don't you read about her? READ EVERYTHING ABOUT HER! She is a person of integrity! She stood up to her own party and resigned rather than continue in a position where corruption was going on and then she had the courage to report them! How often do we just keep silent? YOU? THIS TOOK GREAT COURAGE! She gave up her job and risked her career to do what was right. How many people do you know who would do this? one? two? It is not many. Anyone who would do this is the kind of person I would want making decisions for my country! Why? because in the heat of battle she took a very unpopular stand and DID WHAT WAS RIGHT!!! THAT IS A CHANGE WE NEED!
 
Copenhagen's last post says it perfectly...

For me too. I was typing when he posted. Sometimes no typing and reading is better.

Anyway, I am actually excited about the Republican ticket. Palin adds unexpected dimensions.
 
Show me where Barack Obama is going to take away your shotgun or your handgun? Show me how he's going to accomplish that. I'm a gun owner and I don't feel threatened by Barack Obama.

Are you serious? I should go through the trouble of posting all of Obama's anti gun rhetoric. This stuff has been posted so much I think I will leave it to you to use the search function.

BTW. He will accomplish that by anti-gun bills and supreme Court appointments. But that's just covering old ground and is stuff most gun owners are already aware of. If you don't know that already, then don't ask me to make the effort.

aah, the Dem's are really squirming on Palin as VP.
 
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE A SOCIALIST? HOW MUCH RESEARCH HAVE YOU REALLY DONE ON OBAMA? IT AMAZES ME THAT EVERYONE SITS HERE AND COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT HE HAS SAID OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WHY DON'T YOU GO AND READ ABOUT HIS REAL BELIEFS? HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN A DEMOCRACY! HE BELIEVES IN SOCIALISM! I APPLAUD HIS WORK WITH THE NEEDY. IF YOU ARE NOT GIVING BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY SHAME ON YOU! BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LEGISLATED! I DO NOT WANT SOMEONE GETTING IN OFFICE AND REDISTRIBUTING WHAT LITTLE I HAVE TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT WILLING TO GET THEIR B*&TS UP AND GO TO WORK! HE IS A NIGHTMARE WAITING TO HAPPEN.

Deerhunter61, first off I'm here to provide assistance to the technologically illiterate. See your "a" key? The caps lock is seven sixteenths of an inch away from your a key. Turn it off.

Second, if you had read my post I described myself as a classical liberal.

Thirdly, John McCain wants to take your money and redistribute it to millionaires. Go read up on YOUR candidate. Then come back and we'll talk, if you didn't yet blow out your aorta.

I voted for Bush both times...it is not something I say lightly because I am not proud of what he has represented over at least the last 4 years. BUT I CAN NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE LIKE OBAMA! HE IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Where did you get that shiny dog whistle from? ;)
 
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Right when she was running in beauty contests he was working in public policy writing for law journals.

Irrelevant, but ... how about Joe Biden’s literary history. He was sent packing the last time he ran for president due to plagiarism of papers he did in college:


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A961948260

enator Joseph R. Biden Jr., fighting to salvage his Presidential campaign, today acknowledged ''a mistake'' in his youth, when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.

Mr. Biden insisted, however, that he had done nothing ''malevolent,'' that he had simply misunderstood the need to cite sources carefully. And he asserted that another controversy, concerning recent reports of his using material from others' speeches without attribution, was ''much ado about nothing.''

Mr. Biden, the 44-year-old Delaware Democrat who heads the Senate Judiciary Committee, addressed these issues at the Capitol in a morning news conference he had called expressly for that purpose. The news conference was held just before he presided over the third day of hearings on the nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.

To buttress his assertions of sincerity and openness, Mr. Biden released a 65-page file, obtained by the Senator from the Syracuse University College of Law, that he said contained all the records of his years there. It disclosed relatively poor grades in college and law school, mixed evaluations from teachers and details of the plagiarism.

Palin will grind that fraud into donkey meat.
 
Can somebody explain why McCain would be 4 more years of Bush ,but B Hussien Obama would not be 4 years of Jimmy Carter?
 
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