I'm SO SICK of this illegal alien situation!

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I don't know if anybody caught this statement...

There is no reason to require anyone to have a clean background check and clean blood panel to enter the country.
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I cannot, repeat, CANNOT believe after 9/11 ANYONE on this board would say this.

Lets let every criminal from Mexico, every diseased latino, and every arab with a grudge and a bank account into our country. Thats going to make things much better here.
 
There is no reason to require anyone to have a clean background check and clean blood panel to enter the country.
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Thanks Stage!
I saw that and I tried to get back to it but lost it.
It's AMAZING isn't it!!!
Sad and scary too.
The human capacity for stupidity knows no limit!
 
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What can I say, I live near LA, this stuff happens all the time here, and I know many women who have.

Yeah!
That's another planet man!

LOL, yes it is, and why we have some of the most Draconian gun laws.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
You really area mess brother!
In your own little world.
All the signs in all our major cities, hospitals, pharmacies, packaging, etc, in Chinese.
And you have no problem with that!
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If those cities are populated primarily by Chinese speaking people, of course not. But since the only place you'll find such things are in small townships and small areas of major metro areas then I guess it's already happening and it's not a problem at all. Don't want to read a store sign in Chinese? Don't go shopping in Chinatown. Simple as that.

Your statement suggested that it's not your responsibility, in any way, to do something to help this country stem the tide of illegals entering.
Did I read that wrong?
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My statement was that it's not my responsibility to assume that just because someone does not speak english that the man is here illegally, any more than it's your responsibility to assume that a man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt is a pothead and send a report to the DEA.

JEEZ! Another tangent!
We are talking about "Illegal Immigration".
Remember?
Do you know 12 million guys in Chicago w/guns?
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So then it's not about "The LAW is the LAW!" it's only about the numbers? How many illegals is ok? Ten? A hundred? A thousand? At what point is illegal really illegal? How many gun owners in Chicago should I know before I decide to report them?

Either they're all allowed to do it or none of them are, isn't that the gist of what you said?
Earth to Redworm!
No direct victims!?!?!
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No direct victims. The moment a man in Mexico crosses the border, who has been hurt? If he doesn't commit any other crimes, if he doesn't go to the hospital, if he doesn't put a child in school, if he doesn't get in a car wreck, if he doesn't take a job from an American....who has been hurt? No one. The act of being here illegally creates no victim whatsoever.

How about hopital closings in border states because they can't afford to treat illegals for free!
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What about the ones in states that close because they can't afford to treat welfare citizens for free? The problem is not caused by illegal immigration, it's caused by the fact that hospitals are required to give basic emergency care to everyone because everyone deserves it. Those illegals, according to just one article that I mentioned, are contributing to those public hospitals as much as any legal resident or citizen.

Who pays the increased expenses when schools decide to give free schooling, on every level, to illegals.
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The residents of an area. Schools are not heavily funded by income taxes. I don't pay direct property tax because I rent, does that mean if I send a child to public school I'm a drain on the system as well?

And the kid that gets run over by an illegal w/o insurance.
WHo's gonna pay that kids medical bills?
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What about the kid that gets run over by the 80 year old citizen in Wisconsin, a state that doesn't require insurance until one is involved in an accident? Should old people driving also be made illegal or perhaps the majority of them driving also creates no victims. Don't pick and choose which groups have to follow the laws and avoid hurting others, but don't assume that every one of those 12 million illegals has run over a kid or gone to the hospital.

And how about the massive amounts of drugs of every kind being brought over weekly, if not daily.
The addiction,death, heartbreak, etc caused by those drugs.
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Those are brought in by smugglers which would be a lot easier to catch if the immigration process was streamlined and they couldn't hide among all the ones that just come here to live and work.

No direct victims!
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Nope. None. Not a one.
 
Yeah we are REALLY open minded here in LA :D

The moment a man in Mexico crosses the border, who has been hurt? If he doesn't commit any other crimes, if he doesn't go to the hospital, if he doesn't put a child in school, if he doesn't get in a car wreck, if he doesn't take a job from an American....who has been hurt? No one. The act of being here illegally creates no victim whatsoever.
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What a wonderful fantasy you live in.

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No direct victims!
Nope. None. Not a one.
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Tell this to all the ranchers on the border who wake up in the morning to find their miles long fences broken, entire property literally covered in trash, and I've heard their animals are sometimes slaughtered and eaten.

http://www.ranchrescue.com/
http://www.ranchrescue.com/news_articles/cnn_20050813.pdf New Mexico declares state of emergency, saying that the border has been "...devastated by the ravages and terror of human smuggling, drug smuggling, kidnapping, murder, destruction of property and the death of livestock.."
This mans trailer was burned to the ground by border crossers.
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This is not even including the literally thousands of Mexican nationals who in attempting to cross the border illegally, died.
 
I cannot, repeat, CANNOT believe after 9/11 ANYONE on this board would say this.

Lets let every criminal from Mexico, every diseased latino, and every arab with a grudge and a bank account into our country. Thats going to make things much better here.
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After 9/11? That would have been silly before 9/11!

And yes, LA is a whole 'nother planet. And not just because of illegal immigration.
 
So, what these websites are telling me is that illegals don't really do anything to the economy except provide low wage nanny service and lawncare.

Show me how ILLEGALS have made contributions to American society, as a whole or individual. I'd be pleasantly surprise if you showed me how Pedro came over at the age of 19, self educated and came up with a cure for cancer. Something along those lines would be good, or even close.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Even your choice of ne'er do wells falls short of the mark.
The "no direct victims" of a pothead....the parents that have watched their son remain a sloppy, uninspired dullard because he would rather smoke pot than go out, socialize or get a good job.
The wife of the pothead who has to stay home while he and his other pothead friends play video games, rather than taking her out to a movie or a concert.
How about everybody connected with the pothead when he gets busted and has to do time.
But no direct victims.
Or the fornicator: who's wife is broken hearted because she knows what he;s up to.
who brings home a disease to his wife, possibly AIDS, dooming them both to an awful death and rendering their children orphans.
Maybe he's not married but still catches some disease.
Again, no victims in your world.
Granted these are only fictional but very much based on factual events that I've seen or experienced.
There are ripple effects to illegal behaviour such as illegal immigration.
But you so quaintly say such behaviour
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No, none of the things I listed inherently creates victims. I don't want to derail the thread too much but if you'd like me to defend my position via PM I'd be glad to. By the way, fornication and adultery are not the same thing. A fornicator wouldn't necessarily have a wife to cheat on.
 
What are we even arguing about anymore? Immigration is good as long as they are integrated into the tax base quickly and haul their own weight.

Answer: Loosen legal immigration standards while cracking down hard on illegal immigration. It is my opinion that they are not beneficial to the average American, and that they have no right to be here anyway. Inflict heavy punishments on any actual company (IE not tinpot contractors doing a bathroom renovation) hiring illegals.

Deport all illegal immigrant felons to their parent countries, force the countries to jail them with the same prison terms.
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Now that I would support. :) The only part I disagree with is immigrants not being beneficial to the average American but I'm not sure if you meant strictly illegal ones.
 
So, what these websites are telling me is that illegals don't really do anything to the economy except provide low wage nanny service and lawncare.

Show me how ILLEGALS have made contributions to American society, as a whole or individual. I'd be pleasantly surprise if you showed me how Pedro came over at the age of 19, self educated and came up with a cure for cancer. Something along those lines would be good, or even close.
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I happen to like low wage lawncare.

Care to show me what you've done for American society that was so profound? We've established you're not an accomplished economist who fixed inflation. I'm guessing you've not come up with the cure for cancer or put a man on the moon either.

What great accomplishment have you made to justify your right to be here? Other than be shoved, kicking and screaming, out of a vagina that happened to be located above US soil (if you're natural) or being farther up in line (if you're naturalized).

Impress me.

EDIT: In fact, give me your full name and I'll do some googling to see if I can figure out on my own just what impact you've had.
 
I cannot, repeat, CANNOT believe after 9/11 ANYONE on this board would say this.

Lets let every criminal from Mexico, every diseased latino, and every arab with a grudge and a bank account into our country. Thats going to make things much better here.
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Whoops! Sorry, I must have thought faster than I typed. :o I mean there's no reason to require anything more than a blood panel and criminal background check.


mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
 
The moment a man in Mexico crosses the border, who has been hurt? If he doesn't commit any other crimes, if he doesn't go to the hospital, if he doesn't put a child in school, if he doesn't get in a car wreck, if he doesn't take a job from an American....who has been hurt? No one. The act of being here illegally creates no victim whatsoever.
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Tell me, who has been hurt the moment that man crosses the border? Who has been hurt if he causes no accidents, steals no money, does not go to the hospital, takes no one's job, does not send a child to school or any of the other things that people think all illegals do? Who has been hurt?

Tell this to all the ranchers on the border who wake up in the morning to find their miles long fences broken, entire property literally covered in trash, and I've heard their animals are sometimes slaughtered and eaten.
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So being illegal automatically means those crimes will be commited? Nonesense. There are plenty who cross and do nothing but work and pay rent.
 
So, what these websites are telling me is that illegals don't really do anything to the economy except provide low wage nanny service and lawncare.

Show me how ILLEGALS have made contributions to American society, as a whole or individual. I'd be pleasantly surprise if you showed me how Pedro came over at the age of 19, self educated and came up with a cure for cancer. Something along those lines would be good, or even close.
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Lets say they do, what would that really change?

Tell me, who has been hurt the moment that man crosses the border? Who has been hurt if he causes no accidents, steals no money, does not go to the hospital, takes no one's job, does not send a child to school or any of the other things that people think all illegals do? Who has been hurt?
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Noone. This man has transcended our conciousness and is living in a wonderful energy bubble that is technically its own seperate universe as it does not even exert GRAVITY on ours, apparently...

So being illegal automatically means those crimes will be commited?
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I'm not even going to address your statement because it doesn't make sense and I can't tell what you're arguing. Because of illegal immigration, there is more crime and suffering in the US then there would be if legal immigration let more people in. These ranchers are the most obvious example. Illegal immigration bad, legal immigration good. I have no clue what you are trying to convince us of.
 
Eh, I've known a number of histrionic men and women at just 24.
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You must know very dull people if you think I'M histrionic!
That's called PASSION!;)
Commonly mistaken for "histrionics" by those that don't have any.
 
So, what these websites are telling me is that illegals don't really do anything to the economy except provide low wage nanny service and lawncare.

Show me how ILLEGALS have made contributions to American society, as a whole or individual. I'd be pleasantly surprise if you showed me how Pedro came over at the age of 19, self educated and came up with a cure for cancer. Something along those lines would be good, or even close.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
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I'm sorry but those papers go into faaaaaaar greater detail than that. It's a lot more complex than just nanny service and lawncare.

Again, illegals contribute to the American society as much as you, I, or anyone else.

One must cure cancer or come close to it to prove his worth? What about all of our ancestors? Did they all cure diseases?
 
I'm willing to be he didn't break the law to get here. I'm willing to bet he didn't break any employment laws to get a job. I'm willing to bet he hasn't defrauded the federal government with a myriad of false ID cards. I'm willing to bet he has health insurance. I'm willing to be he has auto insurance.

I'm willing to bet he has never comitted a property crime, or comitted assault, or battery, or raped anyone, or murdered anyone, or ran drugs.

Am I impressing you yet?
 
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