I'm SO SICK of this illegal alien situation!

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Here's the problem. If I went to germany, snuck into the country and demanded that I be able to work, and recieve certian benefits, all of you here would call me a moron. If I was thrown in jail for this everyone here wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. But for some reason its different here.
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That's because this is America, not Germany. We were built from the ground up by immigrants and immigration. Lots of it. Not one (non-Native) family can trace there heritage here back more than about 300-400 years, and most of us can't trace it back farther than about 150-200.

Also, if we're using Germany's immigration laws as an example of how ours should look, should we use the UK's gun laws similarly?

No mater how you try to spin it, any crime committed by an illegal would not have been committed if he were not here.
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No matter how you try to spin it, any accidental gun death from a legally owned firearm would not have happened if they hadn't been able to own one. makes so much sense, I'm going to write a check to the Brady Campaign right now.

Hmm, why don't we try instituting the same laws Mexico has on immigrants, at least it would be fair?
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They must have missed the wrong^2 != right lesson in your elementary school.

Also, see my first point regarding basing our policies and laws on international ones.

You have no idea how I think, and to assert your interpretations is otherwise unfruitful to the conversation. I would suggest you rethink your position.
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I can infer how you think from what you write. I'll rethink my position as soon as you give me any reason to.
 
Not if he's here illegally. He should go back to his own country and train people there and make his contribution in the world of MA.



Yes, he made his contribution while he was here LEGALLY, now it's time to go home and do it there if he has no willingness to become a naturalized citizen or be deported just like any other ILLEGAL.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Well see you just changed your position on that subject. Previously, he could not benefit society.

Hmm, why don't we try instituting the same laws Mexico has on immigrants, at least it would be fair?
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Because America kicks expletive and we don't machine gun unarmed people.
 
Well see you just changed your position on that subject. Previously, he could not benefit society.
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No, he didn't change it. Basically, THE instructor benefited society while he was here. But, once his visa ran out and he didn't leave, he stopped benefiting society from that moment on, as if by magic.

God, I hope Pedro discovers that cure before his visa runs out....

By THE way, from now I will proceed to always capitalize THE word THE.
 
Round em up kick em out, make any that even try to return illegal or help, hire, or rent to em so miserable or pay such high fines that the word spreads like wildfire " Hey dude's you don't wanna be doin that"

It could be stopped almost overnight if those in power really wanted to.
It's a joke just like the so called "war on Drugs". My opinion from what I have seen in my life time.
Far to many dollars involved in too many high places.

I don't blame any of the one's that search for a better life. If I was them I would try to come here too. I just don't happen to condone it from my personal view.
 
No, he didn't change it. Basically, THE instructor benefited society while he was here. But, once his visa ran out and he didn't leave, he stopped benefiting society from that moment on, as if by magic.

God, I hope Pedro discovers that cure before his visa runs out....

By THE way, from now I will proceed to always capitalize THE word THE.


My question has been the same.


I didn't change my position. If the instructor is here ILLEGALLY, then he needs to go home or be deported. I'm sure many benefitted from his knowledge, but he is/was here LEGALLY.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
###cough##Kent State##cough#####
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True. But THE majority of THE people here probably feel that THE incident at Kent State was not a positive one, representative of how our government should act, and something that should happen again.

I certainly don't think THE American public in general would like to see our laws changed such that incidents like that are THE norm.

Also, gave up on quote tags, did ya? If you end them with [/quote] they'd have worked fine. Makes your posts easier to read, too.

I don't blame any of the one's that search for a better life. If I was them I would try to come here too. I just don't happen to condone it from my personal view.
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See, basic human empathy and/or liberal indoctrination says that if I can understand why they did what they did and if I would do THE same were I in their shoes, then rather than punish them I should find a way to help them.
 
No matter how you try to spin it, any accidental gun death from a legally owned firearm would not have happened if they hadn't been able to own one. makes so much sense, I'm going to write a check to the Brady Campaign right now
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If the offending illegal were not here, how could he commit a crime?
Is that easier for you to grasp?
Are you really that slow?
Again and again, you point at other issues that are irrelevant to the one at hand.
Bad behaviour does not validate other bad behaviour.
Don't bring up OTHER people committing crimes.
Or OTHER incidents related to crime.
There will ALWAYS be some level of crime.
But if you can keep out one specific group that, even though they may not commit a crime while here, they have committed a crime getting here, that is a step in the right direction.
Why are you so in favor of people breaking our immigration laws?
 
My personal belief

We should turn the illegals into slaves, this way, the owners are responsible for their health and welfare, not the American society. People can own as many as they like as long as they take care of 'em. If they commit crimes, the owners would be liable for the crime. After all, they did come here of their own free will, and people exploit them to the point of slavery now, even those of their own RACE. It would make sense to make someone personally liable for them at least.

13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Abolition of Slavery (1865) - Transcript
AMENDMENT XIII Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Passed by Congress January 31, 1865. Ratified December 6, 1865.

All we have to do is repeal this amendment, similar to what the Brady's want to do to the 2nd.


Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
See, basic human empathy and/or liberal indoctrination says that if I can understand why they did what they did, and if I would do THE same were I in their shoes, then rather than punish them I should find a way to help them
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Perfect example of "feel good" Liberal approach to things.
Think with your heart, not your head.
"He was hungry, so of course he robbed that bank."
"He was abused as a child. That's why he raped and dismembered that little girl."
Why they are doing it is irrelevant!
We KNOW why they are coming here!
We all understand WHY!
But don't break our laws to do it.
 
We should turn the illegals into slaves, this way, the owners are responsible for their health and welfare, not the American society. People can own as many as they like as long as they take care of 'em. If they commit crimes, the owners would be liable for the crime.
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Oh good lord.

If the offending illegal were not here, how could he commit a crime?
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If the person didn't own the handgun, how would he have had a negligent discharge?

Is that easier for you to grasp?
Are you really that slow?
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I have about a 140 IQ, scored about 1500 on my SATs, a 130 GT and 99 overall on my ASVAB, and have been consistently on the honor roll in an Electrical Engineering major. I'm willing to bet I'm quite a bit smarter than you are.

Again and again, you point at other issues that are irrelevant to the one at hand.
Bad behaviour does not validate other bad behaviour.
Don't bring up OTHER people committing crimes.
Or OTHER incidents related to crime.
There will ALWAYS be some level of crime.
But if you can keep out one specific group that, even though they may not commit a crime while here, they have committed a crime getting here, that is a step in the right direction.
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I'll continue to bring up other people (likely including yourself) committing crimes for as long as you treat this while legality thing as a completely black or white issue. If somebody's only crime is getting here, or getting work once here, then they bother me a lot less than natural citizens committing similar or worse crimes.

I mean, you keep yelling "it's a crime, it's a crime, it's a crime" when nearly every person in this nation is a criminal to one degree or the other. Their crime simply doesn't bother me that much, similar to speeding.

Why are you so in favor of people breaking our immigration laws?
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I'm not in favor of people breaking them. But I do consider them unjust and feel they need to change, and thus don't give a darn if people break them.
 
See, basic human empathy and/or liberal indoctrination says that if I can understand why they did what they did and if I would do THE same were I in their shoes, then rather than punish them I should find a way to help them
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Not quite, I understand why the druggie is robbing the mini-mart, or selling themselves on the corner too, doesn't mean I wanna help them or pay tax money to send them to rehabilitation either.
I have never been either I don't condone either.

I would help them back across the border is all, and if they returned illegal a second time would be darn glad to get back again buy the time they were allowed to the second time. It would not be a good experience once caught twice.
 
Perfect example of "feel good" Liberal approach to things.
Think with your heart, not your head.
"He was hungry, so of course he robbed that bank."
"He was abused as a child. That's why he raped and dismembered that little girl."
Why they are doing it is irrelevant!
We KNOW why they are coming here!
We all understand WHY!
But don't break our laws to do it.
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Somebody whose only crimes involve coming here and finding work is not infringing on anybody else's rights, unlike robbery or assault. If you don't see THE difference, then you've no right to call me slow.

Illegal immigrants are breaking THE law every day they are here, sure. Been to California lately? Half THE people there are breaking THE law every day they're there, too, judging from THE flow of traffic on THE streets and freeways (when they're not at a standstill, of course). Why? They're late to work.

So let's treat illegal immigrants the same. Give them a ticket.

Not quite, I understand why the druggie is robbing the mini-mart, or selling themselves on the corner too, doesn't mean I wanna help them or pay tax money to send them to rehabilitation either.
I have never been either I don't condone either.
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And you'd do THE same in their shoes? Or did you miss THE second part of that sentence? Also, being a druggie is a choice. Not being born in THE US is not.

Well, George W. Bush doesn't think much of the Constitution either so it's should be relatively easy to abolish the 13th as they've already killed the rest of it.
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And this is...a good thing? What THE heck are you even trying to say?
 
So let's treat illegal immigrants the same. Give them a ticket
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Yeah! A one way ticket to the border


Not being born in THE US is not.
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Nobody said life was fair huh?
I guess Iwould just tell em " sucks to be you huh"? " Now go home and come back legal".
 
I have about a 140 IQ, scored about 1500 on my SATs, a 130 GT and 99 overall on my ASVAB, and have been consistently on the honor roll in an Electrical Engineering major. I'm willing to bet I'm quite a bit smarter than you are
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So why do you keep saying stupid things?
Some of the lamest people I've ever met were lawyers, doctors and IT people.
Good grades.
morons in everyday life.
I'm not impressed with your school grades.
If the person didn't own the handgun, how would he have had a negligent discharge?
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You just give more credence to what I wrote above.
It's about illegal people being here and commiting crimes.
Illegals!
Don't you get it!?!?!?
Whose side were you on in Iraq anyway?:rolleyes:
 
Whose side were you on in Iraq anyway?
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1) Ours, dickhead.
2) How exactly does this relate to anything?
3) Shut the hell up, you half-retarded yokel.

Let me guess...I get banned, thread gets closed, and this idiot continues to be a fine representative of American gun enthusiasts. Maybe I'll actually stick around this time to see what happens.

But for now I'm going to let you guys do your thing, while I go seek out people who don't make me regret the sacrifices I've made defending this country.

@rem33: You sounded about 12 in your whole "sucks to be you" response...so I'm guessing you don't fare well in the other 90%-70% of intelligence either. Unless you're actually 12, I suppose. Then you're doing fine.

@DasBoot: I almost forgot...I know we're talking about "Illegals!" I read the thread title. I just don't agree with you. Also, regarding "illegal people"...how can a person be illegal. You're looking for "illegal immigrant." Their personhood is perfectly legal. Makes you sound like an idiot.
 
I have about a 140 IQ,
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It;s been shown that IQ scores are only a about 10 to 30% of your over all intelligence. They don't take into account common since and a host of other factors involved. I got a buddy that is no doubt a genius. He's in the top 5% of the Mensa outfit, he amazes me at times but when it comes to everyday life, and his associations with other people, he's in many way's a complete flop.

Too smart for the likes of me to argue with so I be done here in this thread.

Kick em out...
 
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