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Illegal Aliens rallying across US today
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What have we come to when we aren't willing to pay an extra dollar for a head of lettuce or a hamburger if it means enforcing the law.
If indeed they would enforce the law and keep illegals where they belong
(Mexico) I wouldn't have a problem.
If indeed they would enforce the law and keep illegals where they belong (Mexico) I wouldn't have a problem.
Yeah, thanks to senor Bush....welcome to the United States of Mexico.:barf:
And like I said, ILLEGALS don't pay taxes when you claim 8 on your W-4. So, what were you saying again?
Good point. Also, many still do work completely off the books...how many? No one knows....that's what being illegal and undocumented means. Of course off the books or not they can still get free medical services. Can't offend them by asking citizenship you know.
Next time I check into the hospital and they ask for my SS#, insurance verification, birth date & place, and to sign responsibility to pay any bills, I am going to say "my name Jose....no speak English".
KenpoProfessor
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Hey MdMan and Rotorhead
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=truthbrigade
Watch some of these videos and you'll see what it's really like down here on the front. Of special attention, watch the 2nd class citizen videos, they're a hoot. This is only a portion of what we have to deal with on a daily basis, do you?
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=truthbrigade
Watch some of these videos and you'll see what it's really like down here on the front. Of special attention, watch the 2nd class citizen videos, they're a hoot. This is only a portion of what we have to deal with on a daily basis, do you?
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
Legality
True they are people. And all people deserve freedom. But these people, have gained access to our country by illegal means by any countries standards. They have entered illegally, and have no intention of assimilating into American life. These people have strained and drained our resources. Crime is up, hospitals are broke, ems and police are busy tied up with the numerous problems these people bring. Diseases like drug resistant TB with a 50% death rate, whooping cough, STDs. They send most of the money they make [cash] back home. They take our jobs and drive down the wages. They should not be here. They should be in Mexico, changing their country. They are backed by big Latino unions on our soil.
They should of never given up their arms. That's what happens to a country when they take your arms. Now they are marching our streets? They need to march in Mexico's streets and take back their country, that drug dealers took from them. Bush wants them here to help the North American union or SPP to open our highways to all the South American countries.
True they are people. And all people deserve freedom. But these people, have gained access to our country by illegal means by any countries standards. They have entered illegally, and have no intention of assimilating into American life. These people have strained and drained our resources. Crime is up, hospitals are broke, ems and police are busy tied up with the numerous problems these people bring. Diseases like drug resistant TB with a 50% death rate, whooping cough, STDs. They send most of the money they make [cash] back home. They take our jobs and drive down the wages. They should not be here. They should be in Mexico, changing their country. They are backed by big Latino unions on our soil.
They should of never given up their arms. That's what happens to a country when they take your arms. Now they are marching our streets? They need to march in Mexico's streets and take back their country, that drug dealers took from them. Bush wants them here to help the North American union or SPP to open our highways to all the South American countries.
That youtube video above had a special impact on me. The one NBC station segment that shows the illegals squatting on land just north of San Diego. I lived just north of San Diego. The video does not really do justice. The area they were showing is some of the best real estate in this country. I am not rich, but what a shame to see this kind of area ruined by these illegals. These are multi-million dollar homes. The homeowners cannot even walk safely in their own backyard areas.
I worked in Mexico for years. You want to see what America will look like in the near furture?...then pay a visit to Mexico. Mexico is using the USA as a relief valve to get rid of their low scale uneducated workers. They know that without this relief valve Mexico will pressurize and burst with civil unrest.
I worked in Mexico for years. You want to see what America will look like in the near furture?...then pay a visit to Mexico. Mexico is using the USA as a relief valve to get rid of their low scale uneducated workers. They know that without this relief valve Mexico will pressurize and burst with civil unrest.
Living in San Diego I can take you to several shantytowns where sometimes hundreds of illegals live. It blows my mind why ICE doesn't roll by and pick them up. If I know where they live and hang out to find work, shouldn't they.
Thankfully in my neighborhood and my parents neighborhood, there hasn't been an illegal problem thanks to a bunch of proactive and right minded neighbors.
Thankfully in my neighborhood and my parents neighborhood, there hasn't been an illegal problem thanks to a bunch of proactive and right minded neighbors.
my neighbor runs a landscaping business and his employees are generally (ive got no proof one way or the other) illegal immigrants. if they don’t have a place to live, they get to stay in his basement. We have had some of them over for dinner on occasion. When im at work at the gas station, many of the construction workers and lawn mowers get lunch there. Many of them can be stereotyped as illegal immigrants. I like to practice my terrible Spanish with these people, and they get a kick out of it.
since many of you listed your experience with these people I listed some of mine.
since many of you listed your experience with these people I listed some of mine.
So I was watching some clips of the LAPD in riot gear clearing out the park. I was pretty disturbed by the way people were treated. If you are going to arrest people, go ahead. If you want them to go home, make it clear and do so.
The violence I saw on people that were very obviously not being hostile and were even walking away was disturbing.
Granted I didn't see the whole thing, and most likely missed a lot of escalation, but at what point do you take a TV camera and toss it?
The violence I saw on people that were very obviously not being hostile and were even walking away was disturbing.
Granted I didn't see the whole thing, and most likely missed a lot of escalation, but at what point do you take a TV camera and toss it?
KenpoProfessor
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Hey MDman
It sounds as if your neighbor is aiding and abetting criminals. People like him should be put in stocks in the Towne Square and made an example of what happens to those that employ these ILLEGAL immigrant rats. He is more of a problem because he exploits them for slave labor to line his own pockets.
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
It sounds as if your neighbor is aiding and abetting criminals. People like him should be put in stocks in the Towne Square and made an example of what happens to those that employ these ILLEGAL immigrant rats. He is more of a problem because he exploits them for slave labor to line his own pockets.
Have a great Kenpo day
Clyde
Why all the yelling and hollering?
Years ago with a County Badge helping the Border Patrol load some "illegals" we then called "wets", an INS Officer chunked one headfirst into a van by the collar and seat of the britches and I asked, "Doesn't that violate his rights"? His answer was he was wet and had no rights here. I always felt that the wet had the right not to be abused but none of the rights of American Citizens, I still feel that way.
Tejanos, thats Texans with Mexican ancestors have been around since the beginning, are friends and neighbors where I live, can speak both Spanish and English just like I can and survive in this competative world just like I do. But,
they from the other side of the Rio Grande who come in illegally are not citizens and should not be afforded the comforts of they who are citizens.
My son in law, a New Mexican by birth, and therefore not a Tejano, is one damn fighting US Marine of who I am extremely proud!! He protects all American's rights, not illegal's.
Years ago with a County Badge helping the Border Patrol load some "illegals" we then called "wets", an INS Officer chunked one headfirst into a van by the collar and seat of the britches and I asked, "Doesn't that violate his rights"? His answer was he was wet and had no rights here. I always felt that the wet had the right not to be abused but none of the rights of American Citizens, I still feel that way.
Tejanos, thats Texans with Mexican ancestors have been around since the beginning, are friends and neighbors where I live, can speak both Spanish and English just like I can and survive in this competative world just like I do. But,
they from the other side of the Rio Grande who come in illegally are not citizens and should not be afforded the comforts of they who are citizens.
My son in law, a New Mexican by birth, and therefore not a Tejano, is one damn fighting US Marine of who I am extremely proud!! He protects all American's rights, not illegal's.
Now this is a sad situation:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070504/us_nm/mexico_usa_dc
Makes me want to cry......not.
If this keeps up then instead of free loading on the US some Mexican cities may have to get the nerve to pressure their corrupt government to actually help create jobs.
Ask a business in your area to use the Basic Pilot Program....it's the program that illegals hate. It works. Easy to use in just minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Pilot_Program
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070504/us_nm/mexico_usa_dc
Makes me want to cry......not.
If this keeps up then instead of free loading on the US some Mexican cities may have to get the nerve to pressure their corrupt government to actually help create jobs.
Ask a business in your area to use the Basic Pilot Program....it's the program that illegals hate. It works. Easy to use in just minutes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Pilot_Program
Now this is a sad situation:
One story or social downside that no one speaks of is the fact many of the "new" illegals have two wives/families one in Mexico, one here, some have children in both countries, it would seem to me less money is returned to first wife as second family here demand more. it will become more interesting if amnesty is granted and families from Mexico want to join husband.
Wingman, good point.
Have not thought of that one. But this could be yet another hidden cost to amnesty. Numbers for amnesty would be even higher than expected.
Anyway, I worked in Mexico many years...legally...paid Mexico & USA taxes. Also, paid for Mexican work visa. Mexico will not improve their system until the USA stops being a relief valve for the problems Mexico will not handle. The sooner the better. The open border people can think of closing the border as tough love......maybe this would help them do the right thing for the USA & Mexico.
Have not thought of that one. But this could be yet another hidden cost to amnesty. Numbers for amnesty would be even higher than expected.
Anyway, I worked in Mexico many years...legally...paid Mexico & USA taxes. Also, paid for Mexican work visa. Mexico will not improve their system until the USA stops being a relief valve for the problems Mexico will not handle. The sooner the better. The open border people can think of closing the border as tough love......maybe this would help them do the right thing for the USA & Mexico.
We get a lot of Hispanics around here, most of them just work and pay their bills like anyone else but some do insist on causing trouble. When the influx first started I was as indignant as any of you about what was happening but I've changed a bit over the years.
Maybe it's because of the "legal" (passport, visa and everything) guy who dated a local girl until she became pregnant, then went home, or maybe it's because of the "illegal" one who picked her up and took care of her and her daughter with the money he earns as a night janitor.
It could also be because of the three "illegals" I know of who have been arrested, convicted and sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.
Don't start! I'm perfectly aware that no prisoner is guilty in his own mind and if these guys had told me they were innocent I'd be a bit suspicious, but in all three cases I know they were railroaded by our system of "justice." That the police and prosecutors failed to find the witnesses I found can only be due to criminal ineptitude or even more criminal bias.
Perhaps my views have changed because of the blond welfare recipient down the street that never seems to have time or money to clean up her yard but always has a guy around, throwing beer bottles in it. On each side of her is a house with "illegals" living in it. They mow the grass, paint the window frames and dress their kids properly.
Of course 'Welfare Mom' can't be deported (more's the pity) so she doesn't give a damn about anything but her crack (define that as you will) while her neighbors know what they have to lose if they screw up.
It's been said here and on other boards many times that freedom isn't free and that it has to be earned by each succeeding generation or it will be lost to all of them. These people are fighting for their freedom; freedom from hunger, from injustice and from discrimination. So far, they're doing okay on the "hunger" part.
I have here on my desk a copy of "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." It says that "all men are created equal," not all men who were born in the united States but ALL men. It further states that they have certain "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In closing, let me say that my ancestors came here from Wales in the late 1600's. According to the residents of the area at that time they too were "illegals." Unless some of you can show me a visa issued by a native American indian tribe of the time, your ancestors were no better than mine and you're just a later generation of their original "anchor babies".
Maybe it's because of the "legal" (passport, visa and everything) guy who dated a local girl until she became pregnant, then went home, or maybe it's because of the "illegal" one who picked her up and took care of her and her daughter with the money he earns as a night janitor.
It could also be because of the three "illegals" I know of who have been arrested, convicted and sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit.
Don't start! I'm perfectly aware that no prisoner is guilty in his own mind and if these guys had told me they were innocent I'd be a bit suspicious, but in all three cases I know they were railroaded by our system of "justice." That the police and prosecutors failed to find the witnesses I found can only be due to criminal ineptitude or even more criminal bias.
Perhaps my views have changed because of the blond welfare recipient down the street that never seems to have time or money to clean up her yard but always has a guy around, throwing beer bottles in it. On each side of her is a house with "illegals" living in it. They mow the grass, paint the window frames and dress their kids properly.
Of course 'Welfare Mom' can't be deported (more's the pity) so she doesn't give a damn about anything but her crack (define that as you will) while her neighbors know what they have to lose if they screw up.
It's been said here and on other boards many times that freedom isn't free and that it has to be earned by each succeeding generation or it will be lost to all of them. These people are fighting for their freedom; freedom from hunger, from injustice and from discrimination. So far, they're doing okay on the "hunger" part.
I have here on my desk a copy of "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." It says that "all men are created equal," not all men who were born in the united States but ALL men. It further states that they have certain "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
In closing, let me say that my ancestors came here from Wales in the late 1600's. According to the residents of the area at that time they too were "illegals." Unless some of you can show me a visa issued by a native American indian tribe of the time, your ancestors were no better than mine and you're just a later generation of their original "anchor babies".
most of them just work and pay their bills
No they don't. I count tax as bill.
I think this has been pretty well established. Even the ones that say they pay a tax normally claim a high number of dependents so they really pay very little. Others just work off the books and do not contribute to the system they use & abuse. Like I said, this has already been beat down.
If you look at this only from an emotional point, then you can say some are nice fun loving people. Great, but this is not the real issue. We need to stop this bleeding and use of free resources in our Country and force Mexico to start taking care of its citizens instead of sending them here to ruin our system. Like I said...old argument.
The only reason cities and States across this country are legislating to control illegals is because they are a cost burder...not because they add to the economy. Most recently...tell the people of Oklahoma that illegals pay their bills....then put fingers in ears!
In closing, let me say that my ancestors came here from Wales in the late 1600's.
Maybe yours. I am a Kentuckian. I can trace my ancestors back to the hills & caves of Kentucky...always been here...we welcomed the Indians when they arrived.
The only reason cities and States across this country are legislating to control illegals is because they are a cost burder
Actually I think they do this because you ask them to do so, because your under the belief that they are detrimental to society. By creating ineffective Illegal immigration laws it appears that they care, while still appealing to business who need these immigrants. They then get yours and the business owners vote.
Illegal immigrants add to the economy. If the latter were true, the more immigrants in America the further our economy would fall.
Illegal immigrants add to the economy. If the latter were true, the more immigrants in America the further our economy would fall.
This is a fallacious argument. Ceteris paribus, you'd be right. But it's possible they merely slow growth, and that technological innovation is overcoming their drag.
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