This has been my concern. Nuclear material is out there, and it can be carried in small packages. We use TNT equivalent for ratings of nuclear bombs, but the truth is there is this is not a good comparison. The explosive power is just part of the destruction, how dirty the bomb is with radioactive particles is a major issue. We think of an area destroyed and then re rebuild. How about an area that you cannot even return to for 50 years. Nothing hypothetical just real possibility. Lets' hope we control the border before this happens.
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This has been my concern. Nuclear material is out there, and it can be carried in small packages. We use TNT equivalent for ratings of nuclear bombs, but the truth is there is this is not a good comparison. The explosive power is just part of the destruction, how dirty the bomb is with radioactive particles is a major issue. We think of an area destroyed and then re rebuild. How about an area that you cannot even return to for 50 years. Nothing hypothetical just real possibility. Lets' hope we control the border before this happens.
The danger is overhyped - Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked about 52 years ago, and have been inhabited ever since.
# In 1995, 50 years after the atomic bombings, approximately 50 percent of the survivors were still alive. The exact number is difficult to state, but it could exceed 100,000. (For example, 284,000 survivors were identified in the 1950 census; this would indicate that there were about 142,000 remaining survivors in 1995.)
# No genetic effects have been detected in a large sample (nearly 80,000) of offspring. By this, we mean that there is no detectable radiation-related increase in congenital abnormalities, mortality (including childhood cancers), chromosome aberrations, or mutations in biochemically identifiable genes.
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why the debate???,.What is it about illegal that some people do not understand?? Illegal is illegal if it's an auto illegal parked or a person in America illegally, it's a no brainer that most people understand except all the lawyers in DC.
The danger is overhyped - Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked about 52 years ago, and have been inhabited ever since.
Not overhyped at all. That is why I said dirty bomb. There is material that can be used that was not in those bombs 52 years ago. The half life is more than 50 years. Depends on what you use, but you can make a waste land for many years...not science fiction. A more modern day comparison would be Chernobyl. Still a ghost town since 1986 disaster. One of the reactors stayed in operation (using protective clothing) and people do live in a new town about 30km away. This is a result without even trying to make it a dirty incident.
Details are easily available in the scientific community, but I do not want to give ideas to someone, just point out that this is a real possibility we need to guard against.
Because laws change. It's illegal to tie an elephant to a parking meter in Tampa but that doesn't mean it should be.why the debate???,.What is it about illegal that some people do not understand?? Illegal is illegal if it's an auto illegal parked or a person in America illegally, it's a no brainer that most people understand except all the lawyers in DC.
The danger is overhyped - Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked about 52 years ago, and have been inhabited ever since.
You realize there are different degrees of "nuke", right? That Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Little Boy and Fat Man, were to nuclear weapons now as univac is to your PC, leaving alone hydrogen weapons? That tritium can now be used to vastly greater effectiveness in such weapons? To be blunt, you are not correct in your assessment.
A dirty bomb, fine, (i.e. a conventional bomb with radioactive material), cleaned up in 6 weeks. A modern nuclear weapon, even a cheap one made with today's technology, and your paradigm, forged 62 years ago, is incorrect.
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Redworm,
Needless to say that Tampa law isn't being enforced due to the rarity of elephants that are being tied to parking meters. When illegal aliens are as rare, then maybe we will not need to enforce that law. At this time they are all too common to not be enforcing the laws concerning these people. A nation without a clearly defined border isn't much of a country. What would happen if several million Americans decided to ignore the laws of our southern neighbor Mexico and just enter that country at whim? The answer is obvious.
These double standards are utter BS on a major scale. What you suggest is to ignore the law. If the laws have no meaning then what need do we have for government or law enforcement? Surely you are not suggesting Anarchy.
God forbid that this problem descends into chaos.
Needless to say that Tampa law isn't being enforced due to the rarity of elephants that are being tied to parking meters. When illegal aliens are as rare, then maybe we will not need to enforce that law. At this time they are all too common to not be enforcing the laws concerning these people. A nation without a clearly defined border isn't much of a country. What would happen if several million Americans decided to ignore the laws of our southern neighbor Mexico and just enter that country at whim? The answer is obvious.
These double standards are utter BS on a major scale. What you suggest is to ignore the law. If the laws have no meaning then what need do we have for government or law enforcement? Surely you are not suggesting Anarchy.
God forbid that this problem descends into chaos.
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If this is your opinion then I sure hope you have some stiff criticism of how Mexico treats its (legal) immigrants, let alone the illegal ones.
Is there some reason you'd assume that I don't? (Hint: I do.)
Honestly, call this a direct question: what makes you think I support Mexico's immigration policies? (In case it helps, remember that I'm not even Hispanic.)
why the debate???,.What is it about illegal that some people do not understand?? Illegal is illegal if it's an auto illegal parked or a person in America illegally, it's a no brainer that most people understand except all the lawyers in DC.
Some of us don't think it should be illegal. Some of us think that those who are right now forced to walk across the desert should be able to apply for at least a work permit, if not citizenship, instead. And some people don't get excited about seeing laws they don't agree with in the first place enforced. These laws can range from the extreme (historically, laws dealing with the treatment of runaway slaves), to the merely "bad," (anti-sodomy laws...mostly historical, though still on the books in some places I believe), to the generally asinine (saying I can't grow a plant in my back yard and smoke it).
why the debate???,.What is it about illegal that some people do not understand?? Illegal is illegal if it's an auto illegal parked or a person in America illegally, it's a no brainer that most people understand except all the lawyers in DC.
I suppose because our elected officials refuse to do anything about it?
No, what I suggest is to change the law. The point in bringing up an unenforced law from Tampa is that laws do not define what is right.What you suggest is to ignore the law.
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What would be wrong with the current laws regarding illegal immigration and/or the need to change or not enforce the existing laws?
How about the fact that they don't work and are pretty much unenforcable, much like gun control and drug prohibition laws.
Change the laws to make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration will drop. The only people we don't want here are the terrorists, the contagious and those who would come here with the intent of commiting other crimes. Those that want to work and live - and send money back home - should be welcome with open arms.
Change the laws to make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration will drop. The only people we don't want here are the terrorists, the contagious and those who would come here with the intent of commiting other crimes. Those that want to work and live - and send money back home - should be welcome with open arms.
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How about the fact that they don't work and are pretty much unenforcable, much like gun control and drug prohibition laws.
There is a big difference between unenforcible and not being enforced.
Not when the reason the laws are unenforced is because they're unenforceable. You can't enforce immigration laws and deport people when they'll hop right back over the next day.There is a big difference between unenforcible and not being enforced.
I think it's about time to close this thread.
Firstly, it is nowhere near to being on topic with the OP.
Secondly, the thread has diverged many times and now covers numerous different aspects of the immigration problem.
While this thread has remained (for the most part) civil, it just contains way too many sublevels. In all honesty, it should have been shut done several pages back. So....
If you wish to continue some part of this conversation, please feel free to quote the part you want to discuss and open a new thread.
Firstly, it is nowhere near to being on topic with the OP.
Secondly, the thread has diverged many times and now covers numerous different aspects of the immigration problem.
While this thread has remained (for the most part) civil, it just contains way too many sublevels. In all honesty, it should have been shut done several pages back. So....
If you wish to continue some part of this conversation, please feel free to quote the part you want to discuss and open a new thread.
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