Please explain to me how our current system of encouraging/expanding poverty
Well now, are you against illegal immigration, or just poor people in general?
Yeah, that was really low, and since even you recognize it I have to ask why you still wrote it?
Because it's the logical extreme. The line between deporting the people you don't think should be in your country, and my low blow comment, is thin and hazy. Logical extremes are one of the best ways to disprove or question arguments. My post was full of those. How many times have you said, "If ____ told you to jump off a cliff/ the empire state building/ a plane, would you do it?"
I don't know what your example is trying to prove, but it makes no difference.
I'm trying to prove that at some level, it gets relatively harmless. Anyone who has hired some kid to mow his backyard has broken the law by encouraging child labor, yeah? I'm not claiming to be above the law; I'm saying that I don't think it's as black and white as I think you're implying.
However I think its ridiculous to suggest that ony allowing people that are here legally to work is somehow stopping capitalism.
No, I'm saying that if people want it, they well get it - regardless of the law. Hence the "war on drugs" reference. I think, properly worded, I should have said, "you can't stop people from getting what they want." You can't make gun laws to prevent people from getting guns if they really want them, e.g.
With such stiff penalties and incerase enforcement, employers won't want it.
Again, the war on drugs. Stiffer penalties and increased enforcement, statistically has actually made cocaine cheaper and purer.
I wrote a killer paper on that for my supply chain management class, using only data from ONDCP. (note, that specifc page is SFW, but the rest of the site isn't.)
At the risk of an extreme analogy,
I use extremes all the time.
As far as doing something wrong to me, sure they have. At the very basest level they have disrespected my country by violating the rule of law.
Okay, I'll give you that. But they're not murderers; they're just looking for work.
I don't necessarily fault them for this because I may very well do the same thing if I was in their shoes.
AH HAH!
That said however I want the law to be enforced, and that doesn't make me any less of a humanitarian.
Of course not. It's just a matter of where we're gonna draw the line.
The real issue here is that they're jobs Americans won't do at slave-labor pay rates.
The real issue here is that they're not as lazy or greedy as Americans.
Why give them an easy workers visa
Because one way or another, illegal immigration is going to happen. Sure, we can tone it down through reasonable and just enforcement of proper law, but so long as America is billed as "the land of opportunity," it will happen. A worker visa program keeps track of the illegal immigrant. Given a proper channel to find work, there's a good chance that they'll be willing to get into this country through legal means, and then leave accordingly.
Do you feel that you'd be treated so well if you jumped the border into Mexico?
Red herring argument. I don't care how the Mexican government would deal with me. I care how we'd deal with illegal immigrants.
We also pay financially, culturally, and politically by having the welfare class remain a welfare class.
What does this have to do with illegal immigration? You're talking about welfare reform.
and sending them back across.
And next week, they'll probably come back. You haven't solved the problem, you're just rolling a boulder up a hill.
The day may come when some of you get your wish and a wall gets built on the border. When that day comes, I'm gonna invest all my money in the grappling hook industry.
South Park reference: Damn Mongolians!
But did they specifically say that it was illegals skipping out on the check? If so, how do they know? 
