I am considering Carrying a gun-No CCW

Four immediate concerns. First, are you a volnteer firefighter or full-time paid? Second, if you should be caught on municipal property (fire station) armed you are going to be charged with a felony and terminated, read your employee manual or code of conduct. Third, a LEO could stop you between home and work. If you are in uniform and armed, you could be charged with impersonating a LEO. Fourth, if you are vocal about this subject, an anti in the department could beef you. Creating a atmosphere of fear and dangerous conduct. Is it worth losing your CA firefighter certification/NFPA training and a criminal conviction/fine that might be given. My own thought is to find an attorney and file for a CCW. I would also subscribe to the Rocky Mountain Fire/Police newsletter. If you are NFPA Firefighter III certified, a lateral entry should be possible. Patience and an attorney are a good way to start.
 
Mvpel, this is, IMO, not a good reason to be armed. The homeless people are usually drunk or drugged, and can neither run nor think about a situation strategically. They might throw bottles, but what more can they do?
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I never lived there - I lived in San Jose, the most crime-free big city in the country - so I had utterly no idea what more they could have done.
 
I think if I had been through what you have.......being robbed and lost a girl friend to a murder I would be packing my stuff and moving out. I don't see it or consider it as running away. You just want to offer a better place to live for your kids and you. I know it is not easy to relocate, find new job, new schools, new friends and all the new but I think it might be worth it. I can imagine your pain and suffering and the government of your area seems to care less? I don't think I would pay anymore taxes in that area. There are thousands of great areas to move too. Just do your homework and plan and include your kids in the plan. Let them know your doing it for all of your best interest in mind. I bet if they don't understand now they will in short time.

Your post makes me feel very happy to live in a shall issue state......and your welcome to call Michigan home. We have a lot of things to offer a lot of folks.

best of luck......... and until you move ( I suggest pepper spray) ;)
 


My wife and I are very happy to have moved from California to New Hampshire in November 2003. I filed my last Form 540 a few weeks ago, and calculated $6,054 in California income tax that we didn't have to pay, along with the $3,200 in sales tax we saved by waiting until we got here to buy our Honda Pilot.
 
I think Wallew has the answer. A baton designed as a baton is probably a felony or potential felony. A fire extinguisher - or bear sized OC - is just prudent and draws no suspicion. Might help ID the bugger in a lineup also. Haven't seen many walking around with fire extinguishers or bear spray so may be a car/bike type issue. Don't leave the state and don't talk about this online. You don't need the attacker dead, just dissuaded and identifiable.
 
LORD! :eek:

Have you ever breathed the powder from a dry chemical fire extinguisher? I did once when I helped put out a grease fire up the vent shaft at a restaurant and let me tell you it was really bad. One small hiccup and then nothing. No air at all until another guy dragged me out and pounded me on the back!

If you let fly with a dry chemical extinguisher you can bet that if the criminal lived they would sue your pants off. It may be legal, but it is really pretty lethal, for all the passers-by and yourself as well as the target criminal.
 
I like progunner's idea (he beat me to it) - file a lawsuit against the state for taking away your rights. Come to think of it, we should all do that.

Millions of individual lawsuits against the state and federal government. Tie up the system till we get what we want.


Mvpel - I love the idea of the free state project, however, it is beyond my comprehension why NEW HAMPSHIRE would be picked. Why the hell wouldn't you pick someplace warm? :D
 
Because unfortunately, all the warm places are already overrun by millions of nanny-statists and their taxes and regulations. I can buy a lot of heating fuel for the $10,000+ I'm no longer paying in sales and income taxes every year.
 
I like progunner's idea (he beat me to it) - file a lawsuit against the state for taking away your rights. Come to think of it, we should all do that.
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While it's a GREAT concept, the only thing you will do is transfer all the money from your bank accout to your attorneys bank account. And the law won't change.
 
Do not move to Ma.

In Ma. No permit. Illegal possession of a handgun. 1 Yr. mandatory Minimum. (A ticket?) Your amusing if you hope for a nice Judge.
 
Im back from work.

To answer some of the questions.... Yes, I am a full time paid Firefighter/ Sworn- Paramedic, firefighter 2 and about 100 other specialities. As far as a fire extingusher goes, ummm no. We use them on each other as pranks in the firehouse, yes they taste awfull,... but will not stop an attack.I have been hit in the face several times, and it does cause eye iritation, but does not stop me. I have decided to change my address on my drivers license and apply for the county permit. I own two houses, and will use the rentals address. I will advise if this goes through. We will be moving soon. Thanks for all of the great responses, you have all been great. Jeff
 
i didnt read all the responses, so forgive me if its already been mentioned.

read the entire section of your states laws regarding firearms and how they may or may not be carried/concealed.
prior to my obtaining my CHL, i did have a pistol on hand, thanks to how my state defined 'loaded handgun' vs 'unloaded handgun'.
basically, what it said was that it was lawful to have a concealed, unloaded handgun if it was in a carrying case designed to transport a firearm. those small plastic cases you can find in any sporting goods store that fit one handgun were sufficient to comply with the law. obviously this also meant it couldnt be holstered, which meant if i needed to use it, i'd have had to take the case out of my backpack, insert the magazine and rack the slide. lot of little steps, and i did have one occasion where i did do just that.

like i said though, re-read your states laws, there may be a small loophole in there you can use.
 
Just kind of an FYI.

There have been AT LEAST two court cases filed against seniors who defended themselves against criminals breaking into their motor homes. One WAS in Kali.

In both cases, the CRIMINAL lost.

Also, yeah, if you PRACTICE spraying yourself with ABC dry chemicals, you will become used to it. I don't think many criminals practice this one like you do though.

It's legal and as I said, empty the sucker and then use the container as a baton to finish the disoreinted sucker.
 
Holly CRAP!!!!!!

I Got a call today from the Sheriffs office. Was told that they were going to send me an application and wanted to meet with me. The lady was really nice, and asked some questions about why I wanted to carry a gun.She said I most probably meet the critera... but the Sheriff would have to sign off on it. Any ideas on what they might ask. I guess she is in charge of Investigations. She said not to sign up for the CCW course until the sheriff signs the paper. I really hope this works out.
 
Back to the NINJA SWORD thing. . .

Yes, it would be very hard to conceal, but if you just swing it around wildly whenever you are out walking in public, no one will screw with you. ;)

Seriously, there are just some places in this country that are designed to be killing grounds of the innocent. Chicago. California. D.C.. Massachussetts. If you choose to live there, you are basically waiting in a large line waiting to get into a club called "Victimhood."

It is funny, though, how all of the lawmakers in those places have armed bodyguards and the right to carry guns themselves??? Strange, isn't it!

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As I understand things, PA, with faults unique to it, is a SHALL ISSUE STATE, meaning that absent disqualifying circumstances, which are clearly spelled out in State Law, the County Sheriff SHALL issue a carry license or permit to a citizen. There is no discretion on the part of the CLEO (Sheriff). They are no "training requirements" either. Alas, this is not the situation in California, where I once upon a time lived.

As to questions asked by some posters, check with Packing.org for "reliable information" or perhaps better than that, with the State Attorney General's office, wherever you live. Someone elsed "bvad guess" could bring you serious trouble.

Re the original poster, who describved himself as a "firefighter", someone offered that carriage of a unloaded pistol in California was a misdeamenor, absent a permit, if you werre casrrying in order to protect yourself, why would you carry an unloaded weapon?

Also respecting your concern for your family, would a misdeamenor cause a problem with your job? Somethinmg elser to think about. You might be betyer advised to go trough the courts.
 
I take my shotgun with me everywhere i go.. its in a soft case with the shells in the pouch on the outside. I was stoped by a Carson Sheriff and he asked if i had anything in the car he should know about. i said sure i have a shotgun in the trunk unloaded with a safty lock on it. He asked what kind and then we proceeded to shoot the breeze for a half hour about guns. :rolleyes:

As far as driving arround with a gun.. sure go ahead you can just say you were comming from a friends house after going to the range .. or something.. but to walk arround with one in cali.. im not saying that i never have but .. its just to risky to do it on a day to day basis. Theres just to much to lose.. If you want to just scare someone then carry a air pistol..lol its a lot better than that felony.. well until you have to shoot someone then just aim for his eyeball. :D
 
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in Clark County

Here in Nazi occupied Nevada, you can get a carry permit if you are legal, and have a bunch of money; its a misdeamenor if you get caught w/o the registration. but you can carry in the open, if you don't mind being constantly harrassed. and you can toss the piece on the front seat when you dare to venture out; but its a long walk from the parking lot, to Walk Marts front door, w/o that gun.
I get so tired of the homeless, transients, hookers, etc. that are standing on damn near every corner, waiting for somebody to drop their guard so they may take advantage; so what should I do? get the permit......or follow my constitutional right, and protect myself and my family, w/o a Nazi blessing.
 
I have the answer for you.
Since you are in the FD, join the sheriff's reserve search and rescue unit. You have to volunteer 20 hours a month and go through the academy but they will issue you a baretta 92FS and a uniform.

Keep us updated.
 
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