I am considering Carrying a gun-No CCW

If I were you I'd see if Iowa has any reciprocity with other states. You can get a permit to carry in Florida, without even setting foot in the state to file the application; it's all done by mail.

Many states recognize Florida's permit. Try this route, maybe you can carry in Iowa legally, with a permit from another state.

Try packing.org for starters.

tom
 
Just "carrying", you have committed no crime greater than civil disobedience.

They wouldn't charge you with that, and likely wouldn't charge you with anything.

I think the worst thing that would happen is you'd lose your gun... to the evidence room...

"They" don't want to get challenged in court...
It might lead to a "precedent" that supports the Second Amendment... :p :p

Even the gun can be gotten back, but it will require a lawyer and you can buy a couple of new guns for the "liars" fees... :D

The next thing that will happen is "they" will begin watching/harassing you and it would become difficult to carry again...

If you are not "convicted", then you should be able to get a permit...
but after-the-fact, it would require "liars" fees and you might have to "appeal" your case a few times...

They got you by the...

...epelets? :eek:
 
IMHO, I would try every legal avenue of getting your CCW and then go from there. I would not CCW illegaly. If you think that your shoplifting record could be a problem, just imagine having a firearms related record sitting downtown. Pretty much erases your chances of ever being legal in regards to firearms carry or purchase in most states.

If you cannot get your CCW do to bogus problems with the law as it stands, do everything in your power to educate and change the minds of those who can help you change it. Don't sit back and be a bystander. Stand up for your natural right to self-defense and never give up until you see the law changed. Until such time as that happens, find alternate means of defending youself within the letter of the law.
 
your risks?

Its wonderful that the various States now grant us the 'privilage' of carrying a means to protect ourselves.
This is a fairly recent thing though. I admit that I carried a gun for probably 45 years before the great State of Florida said it was ok. Was that a risk? Yeah, sure
Was the risk worth it? For me it was.
 
Mannlicher

+1

I carried in Oakland, Kalifornica for about 35 years before I moved and got a permit here in Utah. :rolleyes:

;)
 
Who remembers Bernard Geotz?

I was just a kid when he defended his life in a NYC subway from 5 thugs armed with screwdrivers, bent on mugging/stabbing him.

He turned himself in. A noble thing to do, especially since he most likely would never have been caught.

Happily, he was found not guilty of shooting those thugs.

However, was WAS found guilty of the illegal gun.

AND he was sued by those same thugs.

In the end, it destroyed his life and his finances, almost as badly as if he had been killed by those thugs.

But he did in fact live.

So it's up to you to decide what's a worse fate...
 
Jersey/Gun?/Jail I don't care if Lee Baily is your Liar. If you get caught.

Jersey/ Gun in Trunk?/ Maybe Jail/ Depends on their mood. If you get caught. and that is with a permit.

Carry permit in Jersey?/ Yes
Can you get one/ if your friends with a high ranking liberal democrat.Like say, Governor.

Does that suck big time?/ Yes--I'm moving. :barf:
 
I would imagine it would depend on who "caught" you, what the circumstances were and of course your background. Officers have a lot of latitude and discretion. They do not have to charge you with anything unless you commit an offense with a statutory mandatory arrest requirement.

In Alaska back in the dark ages before CHP and VT concealed carry, concealed carry was illegal except for "while being engaged in legitimate outdoor activity" which could mean anything from walking the dog to hunting and was stretched tighter than a banjo string. :D

You really had to be doing something stupid to get charged and even then most DAs would dismiss the charge unless there was something on your record that justified the CCW charge. A lot had to do with your location. In Los Anchorage you could have expected to get charged and appear in court. In Fairbanks and the Interior there were considerably less chances of being charged.

Hell, Los Anchorage had to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance with the statewide VT carry law. Your chances of getting charged by a municiple officer was greater than by a trooper due to local municiple politics.

My advice is don't do anything you're not willing to pay the price for. You never know if the LEO stopping or contacting you is a policeman who upholds his oath or a JBT with control issues. They both tend to wear the same uniform.
 
Lenient States

Although you should always have a permit if you plan to carry, there are several states which offer loopholes to needing a permit. Two states I've lived and carried in, GA and FL, allow you to carry a gun if you believe that your life is in grave danger. The idea behind the law was to allow people who were being intimidated to defend themselves during the time it took police and prosecutors to do their jobs and arrest people. However, in a situation like that, the burden of proof shifts from the prosecutors to you. You would need to prove you believed you were in danger, and that's pretty hard to do for just feeling nervous in downtown areas.
 
well....

...you could transfer to the University of Texas.....

HOOK 'EM, HORNS!!!!!! GO FOR THE ROSES!!!!

<breathes deeply, gets control of self>

Seriously, just give it a go. Follow the law to the letter and as soon as you graduate, take a job in a 2A-friendly state.

Springmom, Texas Exes Life Member, M.A.. '97
 
Iowa City is not the best environment to be packing illegaly. It is not the packing that gets you, it is if you ever have to use it. Then you get max penalty. The cops would not cut you any slack, and the DA would make you an example.

Transfer to ISU. Much more conservitive environment in Ames. Plus, Hawks suck. CYCLONES RULE!
 
Its not law enforcement that is preventing you from having a CCW, its the politicians voted into office. For some reason people just can't figure out this small detail, ever... :confused:

Anyway, only do this if you really want to be in jail. What is BS is that you want to break the law. I feel for you, being in a state that makes it difficult, but I do not sympathize with your feelings toward breaking the law.
 
You know what, if your a college student, getting caught carrying illegally might get you kicked out of school, and you might have problems getting into another college with that on your record. Like springmom said, talk to a laywer and see how you can get the shoplifting rap erased from your record. Also a lawyer might know what strings to pull to get a permit.

While in PA it is easy to get a permit, Philadelphia is a liberal nightmare, but if you know the right people its not a problem. It stinks, but it is a fact of life. Once you get a clean record, find an elected official that might have some pull with the permit process.
 
Just "carrying", you have committed no crime greater than civil disobedience.
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One person's 'civil disobedience' is another state's 'felony.'

http://www.looksmarthunting.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_179_30/ai_n15862439

If Ayoob has presented the information correctly, it was a felony conviction for carrying without a permit. No mention is made if there were any additional convictions or if other parameters of the situation are what made carrying without a permit to be a felony offense.
 
I carried in NYC for 30 years. God bless the statute of limitations.
I love the guys saying get a permit. If you can't , you can't.
There are a whole lot of people running around with NO permits and they don't give a damn. I was one of them. The secret is keeping your mouth shut. Don't tell anyone, EVER.
Yeah, Bernie Geotz was an idiot. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.

Be safe

AFS
 
You know, early on I was tempted to close this thread, fearing that it would appear that we advocate breaking the law. Except for a few, that didn't happen, and you folks have done us proud, showing once again that TFL members are a cut above :) .

For those that do suggest ignoring the law, I agree that there are good laws and there are bad. The way to deal with the bad laws is not to simply ignore them. You put us as responsible gun owners in a very bad light to those we desperately need to win over. If you disagree with a law, work to change it through legitimate means, but for all our sakes, don't simply ignore it.

All that said, there is an ongoing thread on this very subject is Legal & Political. I've merged this with that.
 
If you disagree with a law, work to change it through legitimate means, but for all our sakes, don't simply ignore it.
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This is totally agreeable...

But, in San Francisco, Kalifornica... there is no "working within the law"...

i.e., U.S. Constitutional law is "ignored" by the courts and "liars" who are supposed to be protecting those "rights".

(You won't believe this... but, as I was typing this post, I recieved a call from the NRA asking for financial help to fight the December 8th San Francisco outlawing of gun ownership in that city... )

STORY

Criminals know when the eagle "flies" for Social Security cheques...
The 1st and the 15th (or something like that...)

An elderly man had been robbed after getting groceries on the "1st and 15th" three times.

He bought himself a 1911...

The next time the three robbers came at him...
He shot two of them... killing one.

The San Francisco police arrested him and charged him with 1st degree murder...

The charges were dropped a few days later because "they" didn't want the political heat it would have created...

They kept his "expensive" gun and thus denied him the right to self-protection and exposed him to the remaining robbers who still lived in the same neighborhood.

The "cops" publically admitted that during those few weeks...
The crime rate in the "hood" dropped DRAMATICALLY!

I don't think we should hide our heads in the sand so the Liberal Gun Banners can't see us...

The NRA awaits your help in fighting this "crappola"...
They're getting mine.

Our protests should be very damned loud and very damned obvious... :mad: :mad:

I'd like to see a Million Gunners March on San Francisco... :D :D
 
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