Guns that you just don't like.
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Guns that SHOULD be outlawed
1.) Pot metal pistols.
2.) Plastic or stamped sheet metal guns that are MSRP'd the same as steel/walnut ones
3.) 'Big Name Gunsmith' 1911's that cost as much as a semester in a good college.
4.) Guns that used to be popular, or have become popular, and are re-introduced by a new maker at prices equal to a perfect collector original.
5.) 'Commemorative' guns. The Rupert Hightower True American Hero Commemorative cowboy pistol, made in Italy and "...lavishly decorated with 22 karat onlays showing scenes from his most famous films."
6.) 'Genuine' Nazi marked WWII Mauser rifles at quality sporter rifle prices.
7.) AK47's flourished by Rambo wannabe's. If you used one or were shot by one in combat, you're allowed. All others, buy a Marlin 60 to indulge your bangety-bang fantasies and support American gunmaking.
8.) Gold plated ANYTHING.
These are some, but by no means all, of my HATES.
9.) people who will flame me because of item 7, save your bandwidth. I don't care if you don't agree and think I'm WRONG, misguided and an old Fudd. I already know I am, I've already been told by experts.
1.) Pot metal pistols.
2.) Plastic or stamped sheet metal guns that are MSRP'd the same as steel/walnut ones
3.) 'Big Name Gunsmith' 1911's that cost as much as a semester in a good college.
4.) Guns that used to be popular, or have become popular, and are re-introduced by a new maker at prices equal to a perfect collector original.
5.) 'Commemorative' guns. The Rupert Hightower True American Hero Commemorative cowboy pistol, made in Italy and "...lavishly decorated with 22 karat onlays showing scenes from his most famous films."
6.) 'Genuine' Nazi marked WWII Mauser rifles at quality sporter rifle prices.
7.) AK47's flourished by Rambo wannabe's. If you used one or were shot by one in combat, you're allowed. All others, buy a Marlin 60 to indulge your bangety-bang fantasies and support American gunmaking.
8.) Gold plated ANYTHING.
These are some, but by no means all, of my HATES.
9.) people who will flame me because of item 7, save your bandwidth. I don't care if you don't agree and think I'm WRONG, misguided and an old Fudd. I already know I am, I've already been told by experts.
I hate: Smith & Wesson J-frame revolvers. I owned two in .38 special. They were always uncomfortable to shoot, even with regular-pressure ammo, and the two I owned had screws that liked to back out all the time. I fixed that problem with loctite, but wasn't pleased that the act of shooting rendered them "loose." And then the constant misfiring problem showed up.
I rented a 317 (22LR) once, and it had a superb trigger. The problem was, it shot at least 8" low and failed to fire at least once in every cylinder of ammo. I can hit the bullseye using .357 ammo with my SP-101 in double-action and experience no misfires, so it wasn't a problem with my shooting. This 317 was a piece of crap.
I love: Ruger SP-101. It's too small for a diet of .357, but it's perfect as a .38. It's 100% reliable with all of the ammo the J-frames choked on, as well as the +P stuff I gave up on with the J-frames. And it's a pleasure to shoot, even one-handed. I never got a "group" with my J-frames, but I get groups with the SP-101. Is that just me? Could be, but I doubt it.
I dislike: DA/SA pistols because of the two modes of trigger operation and the decocking step. I'd rather get used to a heavier trigger than learn two triggers on the same gun. I cannot even reach the decocking levers of our two DA pistols without resorting to the free hand. I don't like that. A decocker/manual safety is even worse. Even with the gun loaded and chambered, you've got four possible conditions: (1) decocked with the safety off, (2) decocked with the safety on, (3) cocked with the safety off, and (4) cocked with the safety on. That's just too damn many possibilities.
I love: Springfield XD. When loaded and chambered, there's only one condition ~ ready to fire. And, because there's a grip safety, you can rotate your thumb to the back of the slide and re-holster with no worry about snagging the trigger on your shirt and shooting yourself. That's why the Springfield is better than Glock and Smith & Wesson. It's ingenius.
I rented a 317 (22LR) once, and it had a superb trigger. The problem was, it shot at least 8" low and failed to fire at least once in every cylinder of ammo. I can hit the bullseye using .357 ammo with my SP-101 in double-action and experience no misfires, so it wasn't a problem with my shooting. This 317 was a piece of crap.
I love: Ruger SP-101. It's too small for a diet of .357, but it's perfect as a .38. It's 100% reliable with all of the ammo the J-frames choked on, as well as the +P stuff I gave up on with the J-frames. And it's a pleasure to shoot, even one-handed. I never got a "group" with my J-frames, but I get groups with the SP-101. Is that just me? Could be, but I doubt it.
I dislike: DA/SA pistols because of the two modes of trigger operation and the decocking step. I'd rather get used to a heavier trigger than learn two triggers on the same gun. I cannot even reach the decocking levers of our two DA pistols without resorting to the free hand. I don't like that. A decocker/manual safety is even worse. Even with the gun loaded and chambered, you've got four possible conditions: (1) decocked with the safety off, (2) decocked with the safety on, (3) cocked with the safety off, and (4) cocked with the safety on. That's just too damn many possibilities.
I love: Springfield XD. When loaded and chambered, there's only one condition ~ ready to fire. And, because there's a grip safety, you can rotate your thumb to the back of the slide and re-holster with no worry about snagging the trigger on your shirt and shooting yourself. That's why the Springfield is better than Glock and Smith & Wesson. It's ingenius.
imthegrumpyone
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GLOCKS, anything under 380, or or over a .40, 1911s been there done that, what's the big deal ? All "cheap guns" and all guns that need a second mortgage to be taking out in order to buy one. 
And any thing with safeties on them, you don't need a gun with all kinds of safeties, "darn it" if you can't handle it don't pick it up.
And any thing with safeties on them, you don't need a gun with all kinds of safeties, "darn it" if you can't handle it don't pick it up.all smith's and colts. they may be nice guns, but they liked clinton's pistol ban a little too much. so therefore, they are traitors to the gunfolk.
target rifles with synthetic stocks....synthetic is good for when your walking through the woods, but on a bench you shouldn't scratch your gun. the only synthetic stocked long guns should be waterfowl shotguns. thats it.
ultra compact & pocket pisols (autos) may be good in a pinch, but i personally do not trust their accuracy capabilities.
kodiak rifleworks 9mm ar-15 WHAT'S THE POINT? (really any 9mm firearm. i'm very prejudice against 9mm.)
Parents that buy their children .223's or .243's for deer rifles....children typically are not great shots and that results in a lot of wounding. why not a 7mm-08 or .308?
i really could go on all day.
target rifles with synthetic stocks....synthetic is good for when your walking through the woods, but on a bench you shouldn't scratch your gun. the only synthetic stocked long guns should be waterfowl shotguns. thats it.
ultra compact & pocket pisols (autos) may be good in a pinch, but i personally do not trust their accuracy capabilities.
kodiak rifleworks 9mm ar-15 WHAT'S THE POINT? (really any 9mm firearm. i'm very prejudice against 9mm.)
Parents that buy their children .223's or .243's for deer rifles....children typically are not great shots and that results in a lot of wounding. why not a 7mm-08 or .308?
i really could go on all day.
The problems with s&w's and colts is this:
"(Tuesday, March 21, 2000) -- Last week's "agreement" between Smith & Wesson and the Clinton Administration will undoubtedly be remembered as one of the most regretful episodes in the modern Right to Keep and Bear Arms movement. The firearms manufacturer's lamentable decision to "settle" with the most anti-gun Administration in history cannot go without a pointed response by all those who seriously cherish and believe in the God-given right of individual self defense. "
Does that sound like a company that you want to buy from? reguardless of how good their firearms may be, that was a dispicable act and cannot be forgiven.
so what else does that leave you with? ruger.
Dex Sinister
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I have not found a single S&W semi-auto that seemed to fit me in any way whatsoever. The grip angle just seems weird.
Ex-wife loves them though, carries a 4516.
Ex-wife loves them though, carries a 4516.
L_Killkenny
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This is an easy one......
Any hand gun above .22LR that chucks brass. Actually, I hate pickin up brass which leads to my SEVERE dislike of centerfire semi-autos. All are gone and I couldn't be happier.
S&W's. Any and all. It's not that they are bad or ugly. It's their overzealous supporters that respond to every thread with "save your $$ and then buy a Smith". I swear I've seen this response on a thread about shotguns. Never will own one. Too many other good choices.
Any revolver with a black rubber grip. :barf:
You don't even want to go into my dislike of certain long guns.......
LK
Any hand gun above .22LR that chucks brass. Actually, I hate pickin up brass which leads to my SEVERE dislike of centerfire semi-autos. All are gone and I couldn't be happier.
S&W's. Any and all. It's not that they are bad or ugly. It's their overzealous supporters that respond to every thread with "save your $$ and then buy a Smith". I swear I've seen this response on a thread about shotguns. Never will own one. Too many other good choices.
Any revolver with a black rubber grip. :barf:
You don't even want to go into my dislike of certain long guns.......
LK
Notenoughguns
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XD :barf:
AmesJainchill
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Guns that don't go bang when you pull the trigger.
Guns that are a pain in the neck to take apart, clean, or maintain.
Guns that are overpriced for what they are.
Guns that don't hold enough cartridges.
You're going to run out of ammo. You're going to miss. I'd prefer not to try a combat reload with a revolver--I'd rather grab another gun.
.45ACP 1911s.
.38 Supers I can see, that's a bit more cartridges, some more velocity. Proto-.40S&W kinda.
10mm, okay, with good loads, you're up into serious power ranges.
But .45 ACP 1911s? Ubiquitous, expensive, and yet still popular. .45 ACP isn't enough to make a difference in most cases.
J-frame super-light .357 Magnum revolvers. More flash, more recoil, cartridge loads are usually made for longer barrels, and I don't think you'll gain a whole lot more than a good hot .38 Special.
Pump action shotguns...I'd like a faster reload or to remove the pump step from the process. A nice short SxS double I could see with a second gun as a backup or a partner with a gun. They're light and quick handling...nice balance. But pumps...eeeehhh.
Not a fan of 5-shot .38 revolvers or derringers. I could see two 5-shot .38s being a decent armament...but one?
I like: Wondernines. Gotta be reliable, tho. (See above ;D)
I like the Browning High Power--13+1, and there's flush-fit higher-cap mags and 20 rounders available. Lotsa parts, lotsa copies and clones out there.
.44 Specials. Magnums are too big overall, but the .44 Special is pretty good.
Guns that are a pain in the neck to take apart, clean, or maintain.
Guns that are overpriced for what they are.
Guns that don't hold enough cartridges.
You're going to run out of ammo. You're going to miss. I'd prefer not to try a combat reload with a revolver--I'd rather grab another gun.
.45ACP 1911s.
.38 Supers I can see, that's a bit more cartridges, some more velocity. Proto-.40S&W kinda.
10mm, okay, with good loads, you're up into serious power ranges.
But .45 ACP 1911s? Ubiquitous, expensive, and yet still popular. .45 ACP isn't enough to make a difference in most cases.
J-frame super-light .357 Magnum revolvers. More flash, more recoil, cartridge loads are usually made for longer barrels, and I don't think you'll gain a whole lot more than a good hot .38 Special.
Pump action shotguns...I'd like a faster reload or to remove the pump step from the process. A nice short SxS double I could see with a second gun as a backup or a partner with a gun. They're light and quick handling...nice balance. But pumps...eeeehhh.
Not a fan of 5-shot .38 revolvers or derringers. I could see two 5-shot .38s being a decent armament...but one?
I like: Wondernines. Gotta be reliable, tho. (See above ;D)
I like the Browning High Power--13+1, and there's flush-fit higher-cap mags and 20 rounders available. Lotsa parts, lotsa copies and clones out there.
.44 Specials. Magnums are too big overall, but the .44 Special is pretty good.
TheNatureBoy
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revolvers. don't have any use for them. include on the list lorcins and any other cheap unsafe handgun i.e. jennings, and others.
somecleverallusion
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Ok, where to begin?
Well I didn't like the snap and bark of my P3AT but I must give it credit; it was absolutely reliable and I carried it comfortably for two years. The trigger itself also seemed to do something nasty to my finger during recoil. It was just an all around unpleasant gun to shoot. I read up on the issue. It seemed others experienced this and found the P32 to be much more agreeable. I made the trade and I concur.
The trigger of the various Glocks and XDs I've owned or rented also seemed to irritate me but not as much as the P3AT did. I think the problem with those two was the little safety lever, and to a lesser extent, the grooves in the trigger. They caused irritation as the round count climbed in any given range session. The irritation came faster with 40 than with 9mm.. The curvature or geometry of the trigger didn't seem right for me either. I found my finger kept riding lower on those triggers and would usually sweep the trigger guard. This caused irritation on the side of my finger. After I tried the Sigma and the M&P, with their curved, smooth-faced triggers, I got rid of my Glocks and XDs and no longer have any of the above mentioned problems. I also came to notice that I much prefer smooth-faced triggers on all guns rather than grooved or serrated ones.
I've had one 1911 that I found comfortable. It was a Springfield Mil-Spec; the one with the slightly better sights and a few other improvements over the GI model. I've found something less than comfortable about all other 1911s I've tried. The regular GI ones would rub the web of my hand raw where the upper part of the safety met the tang. The sights were also something to ***** about. The decked out ones with the ambidextrous safety would grind into the 1st knuckle of my index finger with the offside safety lever. The ones with the sharp checkering on the front-strap were most unpleasant and made me wonder why anyone would want that sharp of a treatment on their gun. The Kimbers seemed to have a noticeably sharper recoil to whatever 1911 I happened to be shooting during the same range session. One, I don't remember the make, seemed to have a nasty trigger "slap".
The couple lightweight 38 revolvers I've tried held no appeal whatsoever. My P3AT was more pleasant than those. L and N frames with 38 and 44spl were very nice. Loading them with 357 and 44mag made them considerably less so. Overall I got the impression I'd probably like a K frame 38 but I've not had the opportunity to try one nor have I found a such a deal on one that I had to have it.
The M9 was certainly pleasant and even pretty comfortable but seemed needlessly large for a 9mm.
Walther's P22s grip was too small for me but what was there was certainly comfortable. It was noticeably less accurate than Ruger's 22s. The trigger bar dutifully chewed the slide.
Rugers 22/45 mk3 has a horrible grip. Given the threads I've seen where others grind it off, mount bushings and 1911 grips to them, it would seem as though I'm not alone in this opinion. The trigger was a bit stiff as well as grooved, if I'm not mistaken. The gun was, of course, very accurate. It was not reliable. I think that was due to the metal tab on the LCI but I'm not sure. Of course there's the obligatory, "reassembly was a *****." And it was.
Sigs. I just don't get it. They are reasonably comfortable but needlessly fat. They're not THAT accurate, at least not in my hands. They sit so high and are top-heavy to begin with. They certainly have more flip than any of the lower-sitting plastic guns. Nah, just not for me ESPECIALLY at that price.
That's all I can recall at this hour. I hope anyone who mentioned that some makes or models should be outlawed were joking. I'd even hope that we not put others off trying any that we'd found unsatisfactory. Were in not for the opportunities I've had to try so many different makes and models, I'd not have found what works for me. I'd imagine that's true for most of us here.
Cheers
Well I didn't like the snap and bark of my P3AT but I must give it credit; it was absolutely reliable and I carried it comfortably for two years. The trigger itself also seemed to do something nasty to my finger during recoil. It was just an all around unpleasant gun to shoot. I read up on the issue. It seemed others experienced this and found the P32 to be much more agreeable. I made the trade and I concur.
The trigger of the various Glocks and XDs I've owned or rented also seemed to irritate me but not as much as the P3AT did. I think the problem with those two was the little safety lever, and to a lesser extent, the grooves in the trigger. They caused irritation as the round count climbed in any given range session. The irritation came faster with 40 than with 9mm.. The curvature or geometry of the trigger didn't seem right for me either. I found my finger kept riding lower on those triggers and would usually sweep the trigger guard. This caused irritation on the side of my finger. After I tried the Sigma and the M&P, with their curved, smooth-faced triggers, I got rid of my Glocks and XDs and no longer have any of the above mentioned problems. I also came to notice that I much prefer smooth-faced triggers on all guns rather than grooved or serrated ones.
I've had one 1911 that I found comfortable. It was a Springfield Mil-Spec; the one with the slightly better sights and a few other improvements over the GI model. I've found something less than comfortable about all other 1911s I've tried. The regular GI ones would rub the web of my hand raw where the upper part of the safety met the tang. The sights were also something to ***** about. The decked out ones with the ambidextrous safety would grind into the 1st knuckle of my index finger with the offside safety lever. The ones with the sharp checkering on the front-strap were most unpleasant and made me wonder why anyone would want that sharp of a treatment on their gun. The Kimbers seemed to have a noticeably sharper recoil to whatever 1911 I happened to be shooting during the same range session. One, I don't remember the make, seemed to have a nasty trigger "slap".
The couple lightweight 38 revolvers I've tried held no appeal whatsoever. My P3AT was more pleasant than those. L and N frames with 38 and 44spl were very nice. Loading them with 357 and 44mag made them considerably less so. Overall I got the impression I'd probably like a K frame 38 but I've not had the opportunity to try one nor have I found a such a deal on one that I had to have it.
The M9 was certainly pleasant and even pretty comfortable but seemed needlessly large for a 9mm.
Walther's P22s grip was too small for me but what was there was certainly comfortable. It was noticeably less accurate than Ruger's 22s. The trigger bar dutifully chewed the slide.
Rugers 22/45 mk3 has a horrible grip. Given the threads I've seen where others grind it off, mount bushings and 1911 grips to them, it would seem as though I'm not alone in this opinion. The trigger was a bit stiff as well as grooved, if I'm not mistaken. The gun was, of course, very accurate. It was not reliable. I think that was due to the metal tab on the LCI but I'm not sure. Of course there's the obligatory, "reassembly was a *****." And it was.
Sigs. I just don't get it. They are reasonably comfortable but needlessly fat. They're not THAT accurate, at least not in my hands. They sit so high and are top-heavy to begin with. They certainly have more flip than any of the lower-sitting plastic guns. Nah, just not for me ESPECIALLY at that price.
That's all I can recall at this hour. I hope anyone who mentioned that some makes or models should be outlawed were joking. I'd even hope that we not put others off trying any that we'd found unsatisfactory. Were in not for the opportunities I've had to try so many different makes and models, I'd not have found what works for me. I'd imagine that's true for most of us here.
Cheers
don't hate/dislike any guns however there are a few things I have decided I can live without.
Polymer pistols, pistols with rails,the super magnums(any thing I can't take care of with a hot 44mag or 45Colt I want a rifle) 32h&r,327 federal,357sig and 40S&W.
wow I guess I've just become an old fuddy-duddy
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Polymer pistols, pistols with rails,the super magnums(any thing I can't take care of with a hot 44mag or 45Colt I want a rifle) 32h&r,327 federal,357sig and 40S&W.
wow I guess I've just become an old fuddy-duddy
.m&p45acp10+1
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H&K VP 70 the worst trigger pull on a DA pistol I have ever fired. I play gitar and have some pretty strong hands and fingers. After a number of rounds out of one my forearms were sore from the squeeze of the trigger.
Jennings .25 Do not fire at an angle that is lower than shoulder level with it. You could possibly shoot off one your own toes with it. (only kidding, my aunt had one me and my cousins would try to shoot, try being a big word there.)
There are none that I hate, quite a few I would not spend my hard earned money on.
Glock my brother has a museum of them in his safe. I think every offering sold in the USA since they were introduced. They shoot well I can hit with them. Just do not like the way they feel in my hand. When they fix the grip angle and makie it more ergonimic I will be at the front of the line to buy one.
Jennings .25 Do not fire at an angle that is lower than shoulder level with it. You could possibly shoot off one your own toes with it. (only kidding, my aunt had one me and my cousins would try to shoot, try being a big word there.)
There are none that I hate, quite a few I would not spend my hard earned money on.
Glock my brother has a museum of them in his safe. I think every offering sold in the USA since they were introduced. They shoot well I can hit with them. Just do not like the way they feel in my hand. When they fix the grip angle and makie it more ergonimic I will be at the front of the line to buy one.