Gun show carry ban??? Support or not?

Do you support the prohibition on loaded firearms inside an organized gun show? Why?

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No loaded guns is not a bad rule. IF you SHOULD need one, it takes seconds to load. Have a loaded mag in a pocket and a handy sharp knife and you are good to go. Too many idiots in there to allow that. I have been in a show that had an negligent discharge, and I DO mean NEGLIGENT. I would prefer NOT to have any more bullets sailing over my head ThankYouVeryMuch! :eek:
 
I've seen enough people at gun shows that would make me nervious. We all know that not everyone who carries a pistol treat them with the respect a loaded wepon needs. Plus it would increase the chance for an accident. simply too many people in a cramped space.
 
Yes, I support the ban

Yes, because there are to many idiots who are not careful enough. Some of these people don't handle guns unless they are at a gunshow. My other reason, one death at a gunshow caused by a careless shooter and that might be the end of gunshows, forever. Do you want that to happen? I didn't think so.
 
If we are talking about CCW during a gun show or even open carry personal weapons, I do not see the problem. As far as displayed guns being, getting, or mistakenly loaded, You cannot control that unless no one is allowed to sell bullets at the gun show.

The last gun show I was at one table had about 100 different kinds of firearms and the next table was selling about a 100 different kinds of ammo. With 100 different kinds of people walking around someone could have easily got a box of ammo slipped a round out and then slipped said round into one of the guns. I see a point there.

If you do not sale bullets at a gun show for these reasons then no one should be able to bring in a loaded weapon either. That saying, a guy with an already loaded personal weapon does not need to load a sellers weapon.

but if you are going to sell bullets it does not matter if people are carrying within the scope of the law. If you have an accidental discharge with your CCW at a gun show or any other public place at all, then brother you have got trouble.
 
I do not support it. Of course, that is two fold. I am fine with people packing to a gun show, and just like anywhere else, keeping it to themselves. However, if said person is planning on taking it out for show and tell, then it's better to have it unloaded. If you are going to a show to sell, then get it ready to see (that means unloaded). If this is a daily CC then it doesn't really matter, as nobody will know anyway.
 
Another thought I had is that the venues that are being rented might be more comfortable with it if there are signs posted and so forth. If it helps with liability then yeah the rule is fine.
 
on the selling bullets at gun show note.

I once took a box of bullets off of the table that I was interested in and began to open it. The box looked a little used and I wanted to inspect the product. the man behind the table said "SIR YOU CANNOT OPEN THAT BOX!" I thought to myself O.K. I understand. So I said. "Can you open it for me and show me the bullets? I would like to see what am getting." He said no he could not do that. So I did not buy bullets at that gun show under the idea that was how they all operated.

How do you know what you are getting? This is probably a topic for another thread.
 
No loaded guns at a gun show?
Strange days...no sharp knives either....or idiots for that matter, give an IQ test at the door and let the guns go thru.
Of course it's a venue's or promoter's right if thats what they want, but as for a new law.....:barf:
 
Not only should the guns be loaded at the show, but carried cocked and in the hand, just in case...!!!!:D

Come on guys, seriously, do you honestly want some of these moron's carrying loaded weapons near you while you are shopping? Think about it.

I lost count over how many gun bores have been waved around and pointed at me in gun shops and at shows over the years. True, there are many outdoorsmen and women, and gun owners who ARE safe and show respect for others at gun shows, but I seem to be spotting far too many idiots w/egos and Gang-Banger Wanna-be's waving guns around. Far too many for me to be comfortable attending if loaded weapons were allowed.

With all the idiots out there, and I have seen quite a few in various New England gun shows, I fully support bans on loaded guns at the shows. Those little plastic ties through the actions calm my nerves a bit. And if need be, they can be cut off quickly.:rolleyes:

And at every show I have ever attended in the past 23 years, when I look around, there are always quite a few ex or current military folks, hunters, police and tough old cantankerous SOB's, who will gladly join me in tackling, disarming and "restraining" any idiot stupid enough to try to become a menace to public safety.

Yes, let's keep those weapons unloaded and everyone safe.
 
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Some people here don't seem to understand that we're talking about concealed, unused, unhandled, holstered, untouched, undercover guns. A gun that is in it's holster all day, every day, everywhere I (and most of you) go.

We're not talking about guns that people bring that are for sale.

We're not talking about the guns that are on the tables for sale.

We're talking about the same handgun most of us carry around every day, all day that, almost by some miracle apparently, stays in it's holster and concealed and doesn't hurt anybody unless it need to.

Does it suddenly become dangerous because we happen to be in a building with lots of other guns? A grand "gun conspiracy" where the guns all leap from their holsters and begin shooting people?

This whole "idiots can't be trusted" is Brady Bunch BS. Restrict and punish EVERYBODY because 1% of the population is stupid. It's nonsensical.

If the issue was handled from the get-go the was it should have been, which is severe punishment for those that would draw a loaded gun in a crowded room, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion because there would be no problems.

The answer is to do what should have been done from the beginning, not what should never have to be done:

Punish the IDIOTS, leave ME alone!
 
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I have to agree with peetzakilla on this one.
I dont see a problem with a competent, licensed person, doing what the state says they feel comfortable with this person doing by giving them a license to do it.
To me, a gun show full of licensed ccws, is no different than driving on the freeway full of licensed drivers.

Sure there are plenty of idiots on the freeway, some not even licensed at all. The same holds true for a gun show im sure.
Just because someone has a drivers license doesnt mean they wont drive drunk and kill someone. So do we take everyones car/ license away and all ride the public transportation because we are somehow safer? I hate it when someone wants to save me from myself.

Rules dont stop idiots regaurdless where you are. There is no way to screen them out before they do something stupid, without screening everyone. When you screen everyone its now a rights infringment. Like someone said earlier, anyone who disarmes me doesnt deserve my business.
 
yep, peetes going to have his loaded gun regardless...he himself has authorized it. Oh, and execute on the spot anyone that has an AD in a gunshow.Anybody that thinks different works for HCI. The end.

After all its just like being at the gun range, but without the range or backstop, or the safety rules, and even more idiots.
 
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I can't remember ever attending a gun show that allowed the carry of loaded firearms (and I've been to a lot of gunshows). I suppose if your firearm is concealed, no one is going to bother you about it, but at all the ones I can remember, someone inspected all firearms and ties off the chamber with a zip tie. I don't think that's unreasonable, and if you do think it's unreasonable, then that's a gun show you don't need to attend. I support the right of ALL property owners and proprietors of business organizations to allow or disallow whatever they choose.
 
Some people here don't seem to understand that we're talking about concealed, unused, unhandled, holstered, untouched, undercover guns. A gun that is in it's holster all day, every day, everywhere I (and most of you) go.

We're not talking about guns that people bring that are for sale.

We're not talking about the guns that are on the tables for sale.

We're talking about the same handgun most of us carry around every day, all day that, almost by some miracle apparently, stays in it's holster and concealed and doesn't hurt anybody unless it need to.
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Peetza:

There's your side, my side, and the middle:

Your side: Diligent and responsible gun owner with gun properly holstered in a quality rig. He may have other guns to sell or trade with him in a case, but that carry gun isn't getting used today (hopefully).

My side: 21-and-a-day year old idgit with his belt around his knees, cheap gun show special holster with mag carrier for his poorly balanced hi point. Trotting around the gun show constantly adjusting his gun and holster. Gets fed up with it and decides to investigate other holsters. Fiddles with pants while pulling iron at the same time, bobbles gun, BANG.

The middle: New gun owner, semi-responsible. Has a carry gun, isn't intending on selling or trading it today. Notices that GlockMeister is at the show (or some other accessory store) and he's been wanting those night sight upgrades. Wow, they're on special! He unloads the magazine in as low-key way as he can and unholsters to eject the live round, but gets jostled in the crowd and BANG.

There's lots of grey in this issue because there is more types of people between "idgit" and "gun-saavy."
 
21-and-a-day year old idgit with his belt...
The middle: New gun owner, semi-responsible....
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These are the guys, who disregarding the great big signs warning against such, get banned, for life, from gun shows. See, there's "semi-responsible" and there's "common sense". If he doesn't have the common sense to not unholster a loaded handgun in such an environment then... bye-bye. The severe penalties will "insert" common sense where there is none. Not because they wouldn't do it if they could but because they fear the penalty.


These types of things happen(ed) because there was no such rule or severe penalty. These incidents would not happen under a strict enforcement of common sense rules, or at least happen VERY rarely, and just how far are we willing to go to legislate safety?
 
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A ban is not only impractical and almost unenforceable (unless we want to pay a fortune just to get into a gun show) it is also reactionary and not preventative. In cases of extreme risk an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
Let's take, for example, the Big Reno Show at the Grand Sierra Resorts, formerly the Hilton. A place that's always been "gun friendly" for the discreet.

Since it's a gun show, folks bring guns in to sell or trade. Some of us also CCW. In or out, all guns have a tag afixed to the TRIGGER GUARD of the unloaded firearm--including your CCW (and OMG:eek:, you even have to remove the mag.). Guns coming out are also checked for tags, though no one searches your person--in or out.


Doesn't matter how the Grand Sierra, or the Big Reno Show's promoter feels about it. The insurance company lawyers make the rules re: unloaded firearms. Seems like they just don't get their fair share of the whiners attention on this thread.

THE INSURANCE CO. THE INSURANCE CO. THE INSURANCE CO. No INSURANCE, no SHOW.:cool:

ps Why don't we have a WAAAH! icon?:D
 
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it is also reactionary and not preventative. In cases of extreme risk an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Of course a ban is "reactionary" it's THE RULE that's preventative. My ban for violating the rules is reactionary, your ban for being unsafe is JUST AS REACTIONARY and no more effective. The price would be insignificant. How many people would actually be banned? It could be done with nothing more than a list and a DL check. If it was computerized it would take nothing more than a magnetic card reader a cheap laptop and 10 minutes for anyone who knows Filemaker to create the database and rules.


Your example about cars in school zones is actually an excellent analogy, for the opposite reason you thought.

1)Travel (modern form of cars) is a protected right, Self protection (modern form firearms) is a protected right.

2)There are places where both could be more dangerous than they would normally be in other places. (School zones for cars, Gun shows for guns... as examples)

3)Are cars banned in school zones? No. Why? There's no reason they couldn't be.

Your not "required" to be there. There are plenty of roads and plenty that will take you where you need to go without going in a school zone.

There are a lot of unsuspecting people running around not paying any attention. Surely the best action, the "ounce of prevention", would be to ban private vehicles in school areas.

It's not a "huge inconvenience" because there's plenty of other ways around the area. If you need to pick up a kid you can just park nearby and walk to the school, small price to pay for safety.


No, there's no ban. What happens instead? Strict rules and strict enforcement. Low speed limits and hefty fines, lost licenses, even jail time if you kill a kid. Do kids still get hit in school zones? Yep. So should we ban cars in schools zones? Hmmm, no one seems to think so.....


Strict rules, strict enforcement and nasty consequences would have the same result at gun shows. Would there still be accidents? Yep. We're human, some of us are stupid, some of us are careless.... but we're not banning cars in school zones.
 
No it's not. It's like trying to prevent accidents by kicking out people who ski dangerously. Which is exactly what they do and.... IT WORKS!

You'll note that there are signs at the ski areas that say that dangerous behavior will result in being kicked out and loss of pass.... You'll note that if you get caught doing something sufficiently dangerous then you get kicked out.... and you'll note that skiing is pretty safe, in spite of the potential danger from dangerous people.
 
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