GRIP ANGLE real problem or individual choice?

"Real problem or individual choice?" There's no compelling reason offered as to why it cannot be BOTH.
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absolutely, grip angle while a real minor problem that only really bothers me under certain circumstances has lead me to make an individual choice to not purchase a Glock.
 
I hate the Glock hump and I'll be the first in line to buy a straight gripped factory model.

I also hate the SIG P226 grip hump but luckily SIG offers a remedy, the E2 conversion kit.
 
Given the choice to shoot a Glock, which has both a grip angle and a bunch of other ergonomic choices I do not like, nor want to adapt to, and a similar pistol, say a M&P, which gives me the choice to have things my way, the OP assumes that I am just being lazy in not wanting to warm up to the Glock rather than to reject it as unsuitable to my personal criteria for a worthwhile sidearm should be.
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Boats, We disagree. As much as you think you are correct I think I am.

I never suggested you are lazy for not choosing one gun over another. Just don't blame it on a problem that isn't a problem.

If Grip Angle was a problem then everyone would only be able to use a single angle. Since there are literally millions upon millions of folks who have used multiple different angles it is my contention that it therefore cannot be a problem.

The hump you complain about (which does change the grip angle) is part of the fit or how your hand feels on the gun, how it reaches the controls, etc. This is a seperate issue from how it points due to the hump. How it points due to its grip angle is adaptable and fit is usually not. Since it is adaptable it cannot be a problem as problems usually don't go away.
 
Hey, listen threegun, while this thread is currently being discussed you and I are arguing the point at the shop. My honest advice to you is to simply enjoy your Glocks and not worry what others think of them. You're not going to convince anyone and no one's going to convince you. So why aggravate yourself?
 
And you are still objectively wrong about this too. Grip angle debates in earnest go at least as far back as the American shooting public gaining more experience with the Luger, which became less than rare in this country following WW2. In the other thread in autoloaders, you had a guy tell you that he recalled reading articles about the debate in the 1960s, but you still want to blame Springfield for bringing it up solely in the context of Glock following 2002?
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Debates on what grip angle is better or worst, like those in 1917 over the straight to arched mainspring housing in the 1911, have been around throughout history. Springfield made it a problem that the XD solved. Nowadays there are multiple choices available for those who want the convenience. My rub is folks calling it a "problem" when it so obviously not.
 
My honest advice to you is to simply enjoy your Glocks and not worry what others think of them. You're not going to convince anyone and no one's going to convince you. So why aggravate yourself?
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I don't care what others choose. It just pokes me that folks could turn something that automatically corrects itself through use into a problem.
 
It just pokes me that folks could turn something that automatically corrects itself through use into a problem.
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just because a problem has an easy solution doesn't mean it's not a problem.
however if you need a solution to correct something then something would very certainly be a problem.
 
just because a problem has an easy solution doesn't mean it's not a problem.
however if you need a solution to correct something then something would very certainly be a problem.
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If the angle is off on day one and back to normal a few days later was this a problem?

Obviously we don't agree. Personally I don't assign the label "problem" very lightly and you guys seem to toss it around freely. A problem for me as it relates to firearms is something that hinders its proper and complete use.

Problem as defined in the dictionary means...........
a. any thing, matter, person, etc, that is difficult to deal with, solve, or overcome
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............since grip angle is niether diffcult to overcome or solve and basically deals with itself I resubmit that it in fact is not a problem. No matter how much Springfield armory tells you guys it is.
 
I don't care what others choose. It just pokes me that folks could turn something that automatically corrects itself through use into a problem.
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That is the problem. Why would I want to buy something that doesn't point right for me, when I can buy something that does point right? Yes, it can be trained away, but that is time and money that I have to spend to do so, two things that I don't have a ton of.

I'm not going to buy a gun that doesn't fit me and doesn't point right just because it's a Glock. There are other handguns in the world that work just as well, and they fit me better, so I buy them instead. Calling people "lazy" for not wanting to force themselves to adapt to your chosen brand of gun is just silly fanboy talk.
 
That is the problem. Why would I want to buy something that doesn't point right for me, when I can buy something that does point right? Yes, it can be trained away, but that is time and money that I have to spend to do so, two things that I don't have a ton of.
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First and foremost, you many not have the choice, and have to accept an issued or required gun.

Not that its really an issue, as the process is very simple, just stop using the gun youre used to, and start using the one you dont like, and just like that, "viola"!, you miraculously adapt. This whole thing is really just a mole out of a mound hill. :)

If you dont have to accpet the gun, the choice is simple, use the gun you like. If its not, use the gun you dont. Either way, its not the gun thats the problem if there is a problem. Unless of course, its a finicky 1911 thats being a PITA. :D
 
That is the problem. Why would I want to buy something that doesn't point right for me, when I can buy something that does point right? Yes, it can be trained away, but that is time and money that I have to spend to do so, two things that I don't have a ton of.
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Buy what you want its your money. Just don't try to pass it off as a grip angle problem as many including Springfield have done.

That would be the grip angle of a glock according to many, if not you individually.
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Millions of folks that have changed to and from multiple platform grip angles with little effort would tend to prove them wrong.

Excuses nothing more than excuses and since we are all adults we don't even need one.

It really isn't that hard to simply say the XD or 1911 pointed better or fit better or felt better. No guys have gotta blast Glock (it seems only Glock has the evil angle) as if its a problem.
 
Really??? Never mind its not the first glock OCD Ive seen... You like em great, enjoy them but all the banter in the world isnt convincing anyone but yourself and like minded glockers how great they are.

You know why 1911 is still king after 100 years..... Grip angle, grip comfort, pointing ability, reliability and the list goes on and on... (I dont even own a 1911 at the moment)

If the Glock had all the same stuff going for it along with its 1980's tech then it would be king but its not.... Im not going to say its not popular because obviously it is very popular. It is not however at least as far as sales goes top of the heap for sales even if its in the running.

Enjoy your gun to the max and believe what you will but the bottom line is if people vote with dollars spent then glock perfection may just have a few flaws outside of being reliable and just maybe grip angle is one of them....
 
I've heard a lot about this 'problem' but I'm puzzled. I've been shooting Glocks exclusively for over 10 years but recently decided to get a Springfield 1911 for the 100th anniversary. I've taken it to the range once to re-familiarize myself with the 1911 after over a 40 years hiatus from one.

While I was primarily shooting to test out the function of a NIB pistol and to see what ammo it liked (everything :D), I did shoot a bit for groups. I didn't notice having to force the aim of the 1911 and it was shooting where I wanted so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
 
You know why 1911 is still king after 100 years..... Grip angle, grip comfort, pointing ability, reliability and the list goes on and on... (I dont even own a 1911 at the moment)
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Still King?????? LOL now that was funny. Almost as funny as you adding reliability to the list. The 1911 is still popular because it is beautiful, classic americana, and has the bently of triggers.

Yes I love Glocks but I could care less what you carry. I do believe mine is better than yours however (fighting guns that is) LOL.
 
COSteve, What you posted is simply not possible according to some. There is a problem call grip angle that limits us to a narrow range of angles. You must be lying. 1911 to the evil tactical tuppaware and back without problem ha.

Was the springer reliable for you?
 
You know why 1911 is still king after 100 years..... Grip angle, grip comfort, pointing ability, reliability and the list goes on and on...
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Which grip angle? The flat MSH or the arched MSH? They "point" different ya know.

Reliability, eh. Maybe, depending on which gun you have. Ive had a few, and the Colts and GI guns were the best of the lot, and the only ones I trusted my life to.

The list does go on and on, and mine aint pretty. Your kids wll learn some new words if you let them read it though. :D
 
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