Show me a glock design thats going to last a 100 years due to popular demand. Simply isnt going to happen..... although it is almost certain they will be selling the same exact designs we have today, it just wont be due to popularity, rather its the glock way of development...
GRIP ANGLE real problem or individual choice?
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don't know where you pulled that definition but from wikipedia
A problem is an obstacle which hinders the achievement of a particular goal, objective or purpose. It refers to a situation, condition, or issue that is yet unresolved.QUOTE]
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So if it hinders my ability in anyway and I complain about it and am not only having difficulty but downright unwilling to accept it then I have a problem with it.
lucky for me my problem is easily solved I don't buy a Glock.
unfortunatly for you you have a problem with my opinion and your problem is not going away.
peace out.
Surprisingly yes, it fed every one of my handloads I tried right out of the box including my light loaded 185 grn semi-wadcutter, 200 grn Berry's plated 'ball', 230 grn moly RN, and both Speer and Winchester 230 grn HPs, all without a single hiccup! Needless to say I was impressed.
Finally, I got really bold and tried a mag of my handloads with the original Speer GDs 200 grn bullets nicknamed 'flying ashtrays' and to my amazement, they fed slick as snot too. They acquired that nickname due to the small hot tub sized HP they were designed with. They were discontinued some years ago in part because they caused feeding problems in some pistols.
To be fair, my Springfield 1911 Mil-Spec model is virtually identical to the issue 45 I carried some 40+ years ago as a tank commander in RVN save for a set of white dot sights in deference to my older eyes.
Back then, I was thinner and felt that the 1911 was hard to hold securely with my somewhat large, thin hands. However, now I've got a tad more meat on my bones and I found I've got a better grip on it than before.
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aarondhgraham
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Wow,,, five pages of semantical arguments,,,,,
This might be a new record.
What does it say about me that I read them all.
Aarond
This might be a new record.
What does it say about me that I read them all.
Aarond
Not sure what youre trying to say here. The 1911 in one form or another has been around for 100 years, but its not the 1911 that started out.
Glocks got 30 years under its belt, and its doing the same thing, as have most of the others in the time they have been around.
Works good too, dont it? Cant always say that for some of the "younger" 1911 copies.
Grip angle is part of the problem. I just don't see what is so hard to understand about that. The Glock has a grip angle that differs from many other commercially available handguns, and that causes it to point high in my hands. It is not the only reason that I don't care for them, but it certainly a major contributor.
While that may be true, that's not what I was talking about. As a consumer who is free to buy whatever product I want, it simply makes no sense to buy a product that I don't like just because it has a certain name on it or because someone on a gun forum thinks they are the best. There are plenty of great guns out there, and blowing money on something that you don't like and have to force yourself to get used to is just silly.
This problem is not exclusive to Glock. I don't care for shooting my father's Ruger Mark I .22 either, because it has a very steep grip angle that is uncomfortable for me. I much prefer shooting his Buckmark, with it's 1911 like grip angle. I can shoot it faster and more accurately.
Glock chose to go with a grip angle that is different than many other commercial firearms. There are some people out there who don't like it, and it is a problem for them. There are others who could care less what you put in their hands. The people who say they don't like the grip angle aren't just making excuses and they aren't bashing Glock, they are used to something different and they don't want to force themselves to change, especially when they can get other handguns that they don't have to adapt to.
When I pickup a new handgun, it fits and feels good in my hand. If it doesn't, i don't get it.
There are enough designs that fit me naturally and feel good without forcing it to fit.
The arthritis might have somthing to do with it too.
I don't own any Glocks or 1911s cause neither fit me. I must say though that a 1911 looks good and a Glock is fugly.
There are enough designs that fit me naturally and feel good without forcing it to fit.
The arthritis might have somthing to do with it too.
I don't own any Glocks or 1911s cause neither fit me. I must say though that a 1911 looks good and a Glock is fugly.
glockcompact
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BGutzman
So what your saying is whether it's around 100 years or not your still right? I don't get your comment.
Since Glock has grown over the last 30 years I would think it will do very well. No one can see 100 years from now. We may be using something else other than a standard pistol by then. A lot of people do like Glocks for what they are. And according to my poll on the Semi-handgun threads most people that like Glocks have owned other semi's too. I think its funny how a lot of Anti Glockers say that, "If you like a Glock it must be the only handgun you own." They think well I hate the piece so how can someone with experience honestly like it. This is naive. I don't think Glocks are for every one. But they are for some.
Grip angle is easy to learn. Revolver grip angles are worse than semi's and yet people who train on revolvers have no problem with "Grip angle".
This is a silly argument. You can learn to point anything instinctively if you train with it.
So what your saying is whether it's around 100 years or not your still right? I don't get your comment.
Since Glock has grown over the last 30 years I would think it will do very well. No one can see 100 years from now. We may be using something else other than a standard pistol by then. A lot of people do like Glocks for what they are. And according to my poll on the Semi-handgun threads most people that like Glocks have owned other semi's too. I think its funny how a lot of Anti Glockers say that, "If you like a Glock it must be the only handgun you own." They think well I hate the piece so how can someone with experience honestly like it. This is naive. I don't think Glocks are for every one. But they are for some.
Grip angle is easy to learn. Revolver grip angles are worse than semi's and yet people who train on revolvers have no problem with "Grip angle".
This is a silly argument. You can learn to point anything instinctively if you train with it.
Only if they are claiming to be a "Glock".
Im where I am with Glock and how I feel about them these days, because of the 1911's, and especially the copies.
They drove me to SIG, who I have no real complaints about, other than the P238, that just happens to be another "bad" 1911 type copy. Even so, they in turn drove me to Glock, but for pride and money reasons, much like HK did back in the 80's and 90's (had a few of them too). They are proud of their stuff, and youre going to pay to be proud with them.
Glock on the other hand, makes a gun that works as well or better, and at a more reasonable price, both for the guns and the accessories. The fact I can use all the larger guns mags in all the smaller guns just sweetens the pie.
The grip issue some seem so passionate about, while there to a point, is really very trivial and easily adapted to, either way. But if you have other things going on, then I suppose if not for that, there'd be something else, so.... oh, well, not MY problem.
glockcompact
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Exhibition shooters have no problem making incredible shots with revolvers. Because thats what they train with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujvVmuLuoM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujvVmuLuoM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLx5ISBXw4
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It may surprise some of you Glock haters, but some of us actually prefer Glock's grip to other pistols. To me, H&K's, Sig's, Springfield's XD, CZ's and the other polymer gripped brands have grip shapes that I find lacking. Most are too small and feel funny in my hand.
That's not to say that I think they're bad, it's just I'm 5'9" and 185 with long thin hands and I prefer the size of Glock's grip. In fact, that was one of my gripes against the vaunted 1911; the grip was too thin for me. It still is but I'm able to grasp it better now than 40+ years ago.
A good measure of a right sized grip is the shooter's ability to touch the 1st joint of the middle finger with the tip of the thumb. Note that is exactly what I'm doing on my large frame custom Glock 20L that has a Hogue HandAll installed over a stock sized grip in the picture below.
I understand that those with thicker, shorter fingers may prefer a smaller grip but that doesn't make it better either. Remember, just because you don't like the grip doesn't mean it's wrong or bad, it just means you don't like it.
That's not to say that I think they're bad, it's just I'm 5'9" and 185 with long thin hands and I prefer the size of Glock's grip. In fact, that was one of my gripes against the vaunted 1911; the grip was too thin for me. It still is but I'm able to grasp it better now than 40+ years ago.
A good measure of a right sized grip is the shooter's ability to touch the 1st joint of the middle finger with the tip of the thumb. Note that is exactly what I'm doing on my large frame custom Glock 20L that has a Hogue HandAll installed over a stock sized grip in the picture below.
I understand that those with thicker, shorter fingers may prefer a smaller grip but that doesn't make it better either. Remember, just because you don't like the grip doesn't mean it's wrong or bad, it just means you don't like it.
No one has been saying that Glock's grip angle is wrong or bad.
The entirely rational criticism of it is that it is different. Some people do not want to adapt to it. That is a completely reasonable ground upon which to reject the pistol series altogether. Same reason I do not like the standard Ruger Mk. II/III, the Luger, the Beretta Neos, and others with raked grip angles. I don't like SA revolvers either for their odd to me grip characteristics.
If you like such a grip, great for you. To dismiss that people have legitimate reasons for disliking Glock's adopted grip angle--irrespective of whether they can or will adapt to it--is really the point of this thread.
The entirely rational criticism of it is that it is different. Some people do not want to adapt to it. That is a completely reasonable ground upon which to reject the pistol series altogether. Same reason I do not like the standard Ruger Mk. II/III, the Luger, the Beretta Neos, and others with raked grip angles. I don't like SA revolvers either for their odd to me grip characteristics.
If you like such a grip, great for you. To dismiss that people have legitimate reasons for disliking Glock's adopted grip angle--irrespective of whether they can or will adapt to it--is really the point of this thread.
I'm saying the same thing. Why can't you guys understand. It will point perfectly in short order. That means not high anymore.
Why can't you understand that fit is simply how it mates to your hand. Grip angle is corrected by the wrist and not the hand. So if the gun feels good in hand, trigger reach is proper, and a solid purchase is obtainable then you have a good fitting gun. At this point any angle will become natural with use.
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threegun said:
And dog poop sandwiches will taste good if I eat enough of them, but, you know, I just don't wanna give it a try. Silly me, huh?