flash mobs
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^ I do have some trauma that I am dealing with:
1) Not buying the H&K P7 line up in all the different calibers - and including the long barreled sport version.
2) Not hanging on to my Browning High-Power.
3) Not getting an American Derringer DA 9mm when they were still making them.
4) Not getting an H&K 94 when I could have.
5) Not getting a Marline Camp 9 when I could have...
So many regrets...
1) Not buying the H&K P7 line up in all the different calibers - and including the long barreled sport version.
2) Not hanging on to my Browning High-Power.
3) Not getting an American Derringer DA 9mm when they were still making them.
4) Not getting an H&K 94 when I could have.
5) Not getting a Marline Camp 9 when I could have...
So many regrets...
Geezerbiker
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C0untZer0, I wouldn't fret over #5. My brother had a 9mm camp carbine and it was a POS. I wouldn't loose any sleep over not having one...
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Baba Louie
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Question? Why were wagon trains so important back in the day? Survival of the fit via safety in numbers. You travel alone, you takes your chances with groups of marauding antagonists... or so history would have us believe. Same old, same old, updated via technology in the 21st century.
Uplifted knife... disparity of force... hmmm. When the group monkey dance is up close and in your face... act. Better yet, avoid totally if one can, any group of monkeys dancing in your immediate area and/or travel in your own group.
In way of perhaps misguided proactive prevention, BART did this a week or two ago for similar reasons... much to the chagrin of all legal users. Ooooh were people upset!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20...art-shuts-down-cell-service-to-stop-protests/
("group monkey dance" an apt term, taken from Rory Miller's Meditations on Violence)
Another worthy read might be Richard Maxwell Brown's tome "No Duty To Retreat". While one might or might not have a Duty to Retreat based on state law, one of the quotes within Browns book is this...
Which was part of his reasoning for a man to have a duty to defend self here and now. (tho perhaps this quote is taken out of context... never having read Brown v. US, I cannot say.)
Uplifted knife... disparity of force... hmmm. When the group monkey dance is up close and in your face... act. Better yet, avoid totally if one can, any group of monkeys dancing in your immediate area and/or travel in your own group.
In way of perhaps misguided proactive prevention, BART did this a week or two ago for similar reasons... much to the chagrin of all legal users. Ooooh were people upset!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20...art-shuts-down-cell-service-to-stop-protests/
("group monkey dance" an apt term, taken from Rory Miller's Meditations on Violence)
Seems like its always the good guys retreating. Oh dont go in that part of town. I dont even let my wife and daughter go to the mall at night anymore because of the self proclaimed "tuff guys" who walk around starting trouble. Theres only 1 mall left in Toledo because the other two have been shut down because of nitwit behavior. As has been stated before, the world is ruled by the aggresive use of force. Weakness spawns increased violence. So those who play by the rules, dont cause problems, mind there own business (99.5% of the forum members here) have to continue to "retreat". Im getting tired of it personally.
WANT A LCR 22LR
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A couple of things.
At what point in a mob shop lifting event do anti looting laws come into play?
" Weakness spawns increased violence. "
True, if there isn't any resistance / repercussions to a behavior, that behavior will continue and escalate because " I do XXXX because I can. . "
At what point in a mob shop lifting event do anti looting laws come into play?
" Weakness spawns increased violence. "
True, if there isn't any resistance / repercussions to a behavior, that behavior will continue and escalate because " I do XXXX because I can. . "
Sharpsdressed Man
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How about a sign that says, "No illegally carried weapons allowed on these premises." That should comply with insurance demands and still permit legally licensed citizens to carry.
I must have been living under a rock because until this week I had not heard about the flash mobs in the US, but with a little research you can see that they have been in a number of cities recently. For me, armed or not I would call the police and be a witness if needed, but I am not getting caught up in a mob unless I absolutely have to. Typing this made me think of something though...if you fired in the air and not at a person do you think they would disperse?
Cindyann, two problems with that:
1) The bullet has to go somewhere. Up into the air endangers people at random. If you want to fire a warning shot, put it into something that will trap the bullet;
And
2) a DA would very likely argue that your use of a warning shot implies that you did not feel like you needed to employ deadly force; yet the firing of the weapon constitutes deadly force...
Warning shots are generally not recommended for non-LE. My take on them is that I might use one in an outdoor setting to deter a large critter, but not against a human. If the human doesn't react to the gun itself, what should I expect the warning shot to accomplish?
1) The bullet has to go somewhere. Up into the air endangers people at random. If you want to fire a warning shot, put it into something that will trap the bullet;
And
2) a DA would very likely argue that your use of a warning shot implies that you did not feel like you needed to employ deadly force; yet the firing of the weapon constitutes deadly force...
Warning shots are generally not recommended for non-LE. My take on them is that I might use one in an outdoor setting to deter a large critter, but not against a human. If the human doesn't react to the gun itself, what should I expect the warning shot to accomplish?
TraderJack
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Interesting discussion folks... First I've seen on the internet. Thanks...
As for my .02 about dealing with a flash mob -I think it has to be about your training... Running the hierarchy of actions.
And that means...
1) Bring a gun
2) Know the terrain - We need to be familiar with the turf we're on.
3) Evade/Escape if at all possible - Distance is your friend
4) Call for help
5) If a fight is inevitable, have a plan
6) ALWAYS have a backup plan
7) Cheat! The only fair fight is the one you lose
8) Watch their hands
9) Always fight your way to a bigger weapon/more ammo/better cover, etc.
10) They may kill you, but they will have to beat you with your own gun after it runs out of ammo
As for my .02 about dealing with a flash mob -I think it has to be about your training... Running the hierarchy of actions.
And that means...
1) Bring a gun
2) Know the terrain - We need to be familiar with the turf we're on.
3) Evade/Escape if at all possible - Distance is your friend
4) Call for help
5) If a fight is inevitable, have a plan
6) ALWAYS have a backup plan
7) Cheat! The only fair fight is the one you lose
8) Watch their hands
9) Always fight your way to a bigger weapon/more ammo/better cover, etc.
10) They may kill you, but they will have to beat you with your own gun after it runs out of ammo
i live in milwaukee wi. over the summer there has been at least 3 times where mobs of people swarmed, attacked and robbed people. this is not hype. this is happening. we cannot carry here yet (law goes into affect in nov.) i am guessing they will not be so quick to attack if they people they are attacking might be packing.
WANT A LCR 22LR
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" we cannot carry here yet (law goes into affect in nov.) "
I'd say carry now then if caught cite the recent violence and the impending new law. While this list does not condone breaking the law, the choice between living outside the law on this one issue under these circumstances and dying legal is clear.
Any idea why the delay in the law taking effect? Is it to give someone a chance to cancel it?
I'd say carry now then if caught cite the recent violence and the impending new law. While this list does not condone breaking the law, the choice between living outside the law on this one issue under these circumstances and dying legal is clear.
Any idea why the delay in the law taking effect? Is it to give someone a chance to cancel it?
i just got passed a few weeks ago. its our first time having CC so they are working out the rules and regs and prices and what needs to be taught etc. they set nov. as the time when it was going to be ready to go into affect. when they would first be accepting applications.
I've said this in other posts, but it bears on this topic. The more leeway given to criminals, the farther they go. Look at fairly recent history:
When the advice on being mugged was to carry some money to give as tribute (better to give up some cash than to be harmed), the muggers started beating up people who didn't give them what they thought was enough. Then they started stabbing and shooting their victims even if they were given money. Finally some people started shooting the muggers instead. The problem didn't go away, but it certainly was lessened.
When car jackings became the rage, the advice was to just give up your car, your car is worth more than your life. So the carjackers started killing people whether they gave their car up or not. A few people had the temerity to produce guns and fire them at carjackers; a few carjackers died and the problem lessened when it became know that carjacking could be hazardous to the carjacker.
I don't think that individuals should or really can confront a mob. On the other hand, LEOs will have to start thinking that this problem is escalating from theft to assault to -- fill in the blank. And I don't give an anagrammed carp if the ACLU doesn't like it when they cut cell phone communications during a flash mob situation - a flash mob is a violation of everybody's civil rights.
When the advice on being mugged was to carry some money to give as tribute (better to give up some cash than to be harmed), the muggers started beating up people who didn't give them what they thought was enough. Then they started stabbing and shooting their victims even if they were given money. Finally some people started shooting the muggers instead. The problem didn't go away, but it certainly was lessened.
When car jackings became the rage, the advice was to just give up your car, your car is worth more than your life. So the carjackers started killing people whether they gave their car up or not. A few people had the temerity to produce guns and fire them at carjackers; a few carjackers died and the problem lessened when it became know that carjacking could be hazardous to the carjacker.
I don't think that individuals should or really can confront a mob. On the other hand, LEOs will have to start thinking that this problem is escalating from theft to assault to -- fill in the blank. And I don't give an anagrammed carp if the ACLU doesn't like it when they cut cell phone communications during a flash mob situation - a flash mob is a violation of everybody's civil rights.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Why would you give someone a carp? Sounds fishy to me.
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