Controlling a suspect
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Tanzer maybe you should consider knowing all the facts before making a statment that harsh 
I can clear my house. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah it's a risk, that I'm willing to take, unlike most of you. I'm also becoming an LEO. Which I'll have to take even greater risks throughout my career. But perhaps if you were to notice all the facts before making such a harsh judgment, you would know that just because I am willing to clear my home, doesn't mean I want to shoot/kill anyone. Like I've stated before I hope I never have to shoot someone, let alone kill them. Not my style. But if I have to in order to protect my own life, then it will happen. Thanks anyway
I can clear my house. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah it's a risk, that I'm willing to take, unlike most of you. I'm also becoming an LEO. Which I'll have to take even greater risks throughout my career. But perhaps if you were to notice all the facts before making such a harsh judgment, you would know that just because I am willing to clear my home, doesn't mean I want to shoot/kill anyone. Like I've stated before I hope I never have to shoot someone, let alone kill them. Not my style. But if I have to in order to protect my own life, then it will happen. Thanks anyway
What is my life worth? Answer that question, and we'll compare it to some of the items I own. But I doubt you have any idea what my life is worth, because I sure do. And I think I've made it very clear.
Also, if a BG breaks into my home, jacks whatever I may have within reach, doesn't get cought, bounces before police show up..wouldn't that build up his confidence? Perhaps build it up enough to come back to my house, and steal something else he seen/wanted..or enough confidence to maybe go upstairs, see my gorgeous wifey laying in bed alone, and decides to rape her? I just want to make them know, My house isn't a play house
the fact someone who would rape my wifey, really gets under my skin! I'm getting
just thinking about the perverts who do it!
Also, if a BG breaks into my home, jacks whatever I may have within reach, doesn't get cought, bounces before police show up..wouldn't that build up his confidence? Perhaps build it up enough to come back to my house, and steal something else he seen/wanted..or enough confidence to maybe go upstairs, see my gorgeous wifey laying in bed alone, and decides to rape her? I just want to make them know, My house isn't a play house
the fact someone who would rape my wifey, really gets under my skin! I'm getting
just thinking about the perverts who do it!You know, I love to argue. but I came to this fourm to make friends, share experinces..
can't we all agree, to disagre? I mean.. honestly, no matter WHAT anyone says, all of us, will handle the situation the best we feel it should be handled. Because I'm the guy who feels its better to clear your home, and help put bad guys in jail, others feel its not safe. Well what BG in your house IS safe? lol honestly. but I dont care about any "advice" someone may have on how to do something. I'm going to do what I feel comfortable as. As so will the rest of you.
It's like I'm a christian, and you're trying to convert me to become a jew because thats what you feel is RIGHT, and thats how things should be done, but I just laugh at you and tell you MY way is right..it just doesn't work.
(And reason I argue on this forum is simply because it's fun for me. I think others on here feel the same way..I just hope you all don't take this argument in this thread to heart)
can't we all agree, to disagre? I mean.. honestly, no matter WHAT anyone says, all of us, will handle the situation the best we feel it should be handled. Because I'm the guy who feels its better to clear your home, and help put bad guys in jail, others feel its not safe. Well what BG in your house IS safe? lol honestly. but I dont care about any "advice" someone may have on how to do something. I'm going to do what I feel comfortable as. As so will the rest of you.
It's like I'm a christian, and you're trying to convert me to become a jew because thats what you feel is RIGHT, and thats how things should be done, but I just laugh at you and tell you MY way is right..it just doesn't work.
(And reason I argue on this forum is simply because it's fun for me. I think others on here feel the same way..I just hope you all don't take this argument in this thread to heart)
If you feel like your "stuff" is so valuable that its worth risking your life over, thats fine. All I know is that for me, if I'm gonna die at the hands of some shooter in my home, its going to be because he was threatening my family, trying to rape my wife, or take my children.
If I have the opportunity to keep my family safe without having to chance an encounter with someone in my house, then you bet I'll be doing just that. As much as it would piss me off that some loser is taking my valuables from my own living room, its not worth the chance that I could be killed in an encounter that was ultimately avoidable. I'll be protecting the family upstairs, gun in hand, ready to defend if need be. You probably dont have any children, otherwise you would probably see things the same way.
Theres a time and place for clearing your house searching for baddies, and as confident as I am that I could neutralize most any threat in my home, its just not a game I'm willing to play if I even THINK it would put my life or the lives of my loved ones in jeopardy.
If I have the opportunity to keep my family safe without having to chance an encounter with someone in my house, then you bet I'll be doing just that. As much as it would piss me off that some loser is taking my valuables from my own living room, its not worth the chance that I could be killed in an encounter that was ultimately avoidable. I'll be protecting the family upstairs, gun in hand, ready to defend if need be. You probably dont have any children, otherwise you would probably see things the same way.
Theres a time and place for clearing your house searching for baddies, and as confident as I am that I could neutralize most any threat in my home, its just not a game I'm willing to play if I even THINK it would put my life or the lives of my loved ones in jeopardy.
Now you're on track...Stay on track.
Protect your wife and leave your cape in the closet. Call 911. I'll bet she'd want you there. You can't protect her if the BG gets behind you or has a partner that does. For cryin' out loud, You've got experienced folks like Powderman (do you respect his credentials?) telling you it's a bad idea, and you're just blowing it off?? BTW - try not to p*ss him off...
Sorry P'man but it's true.
I'm not blowing him off. For the most part, he's pretty much right (in my books) but there's always going to be something, that somone has to disagree with.
And my wifey is well protected. Access to a few handguns, and a nice 12GA and soon an new AR-16! (hehe holloween present!). I'm confident she will protect herself just fine. Or else, yes I'd stay by her side. But she's my partner, we work together..
Another factor to take into consideration is the layout of ones home. Now the way my home is setup, is quite odd. I live in a compnay paid house, two story, 2 bed (I dont arguee, it's all free! until I quit, then I move) but the upstairs has the two bedrooms, my wifes, and daughers orom. Also the living room is upstairs (room right at the stop of the stairs, which then from that room is two doors, one into each bedroom). Go down the stairs, and you get to the kitchen, which is open connected to the living room (2nd living room). So for me to clear my house, isn't that hard of a task. I have a mirror on the doorless doorway from the bottom of my stairs, looking into the half of the kitchen, and livingroom to the frontdoor/window. Now your house setup, is different. But for mine, super easy to clear, adn spot someone. Wifey and I are looking into some new homes, now that both our salary is about to jump big time, so I'll come back in a few months, and tell you all if I would clear that home or not, because I'm sure the layout will be much much different, bigger, and more rooms/doors/walls
And my wifey is well protected. Access to a few handguns, and a nice 12GA and soon an new AR-16! (hehe holloween present!). I'm confident she will protect herself just fine. Or else, yes I'd stay by her side. But she's my partner, we work together..
Another factor to take into consideration is the layout of ones home. Now the way my home is setup, is quite odd. I live in a compnay paid house, two story, 2 bed (I dont arguee, it's all free! until I quit, then I move) but the upstairs has the two bedrooms, my wifes, and daughers orom. Also the living room is upstairs (room right at the stop of the stairs, which then from that room is two doors, one into each bedroom). Go down the stairs, and you get to the kitchen, which is open connected to the living room (2nd living room). So for me to clear my house, isn't that hard of a task. I have a mirror on the doorless doorway from the bottom of my stairs, looking into the half of the kitchen, and livingroom to the frontdoor/window. Now your house setup, is different. But for mine, super easy to clear, adn spot someone. Wifey and I are looking into some new homes, now that both our salary is about to jump big time, so I'll come back in a few months, and tell you all if I would clear that home or not, because I'm sure the layout will be much much different, bigger, and more rooms/doors/walls
Theres no RIGHT or WRONG way to do it, just ways that WILL or WILL NOT get you killed. I was just talking in another post about an experience I had today. I had the priviledge of being invited to do some Simunitions drills with the local SWAT team. We were working inside a high school, clearing rooms and practicing takedowns, etc. I got to play the "bad guy" much of the time.
All was dark most of the time, much like your home would likely be. SWAT guys operated with and without flashlights depending on the situation. These guys placed so much emphasis on team work, it was awesome to see. They would have laughed your ass right out of that school if you had tried to do a solo room clear without cover.
Im no schlump but I'm far from being a SWAT officer, however, while playing the "bad guy" I was able to CONSISTENTLY take out the officers (SWAT guys!) who strayed from the group and tried to operate alone without cover. If I can do it, I dont doubt some criminal in your house could too.
Trying to clear your house solo, without cover......the odds just arent good enough to make it worth trying.
All was dark most of the time, much like your home would likely be. SWAT guys operated with and without flashlights depending on the situation. These guys placed so much emphasis on team work, it was awesome to see. They would have laughed your ass right out of that school if you had tried to do a solo room clear without cover.
Im no schlump but I'm far from being a SWAT officer, however, while playing the "bad guy" I was able to CONSISTENTLY take out the officers (SWAT guys!) who strayed from the group and tried to operate alone without cover. If I can do it, I dont doubt some criminal in your house could too.
Trying to clear your house solo, without cover......the odds just arent good enough to make it worth trying.
I don't believe you.
Don't ask about clearing "A HOUSE", ask a Marine this:
You're in bed reading a book (yes, Marines can read), in YOUR OWN HOME, or your parent's home.
You hear an unusual noise downstairs.
Do you call 911 and barricade yourself in your bedroom or do you investigate the source of the noise yourself?
I'll bet you don't find a single Marine who says that he would call 911 first.
Yeah I don't believe you either (the comment someone made, and easyG replied to), a Marine will use his skills and handle a situation himself, like he was tought. Now of course, yeah theres going to be a few out there who figure eh their time is done. Let other deal with it. That's fine, but I know quite a few, and I know a LOT of Army Rangers (uncle) and this kind of stuff is all we talk about (guns and subjects about guns) and I dont think I've met one that would just stand down
Its all relative. You hear a sound in your living room or something, sure, poke your head around the corner (pistol in hand if you choose) and see what it is. If its something that sounds alot more like a possible threat, think harder about taking defensive rather than offensive action.
I dont think I have to explain the difference between hearing what is most likely a harmless sound like your air freshener falling out of the wall plug, versus the sound of broken glass, voices, etc.
I dont think I have to explain the difference between hearing what is most likely a harmless sound like your air freshener falling out of the wall plug, versus the sound of broken glass, voices, etc.
And I would not try to clear an unfamiliar school either (or any unfamiliar building).
But we are not talking about one man clearing some large structure that he is unfamiliar with....we're talking about YOU clearing YOUR OWN HOME.
Tell me, and be honest....
Do you truely believe that you cannot clear your own home better than the average cop in your hometown?
This gets to the real issue....
With a few exceptions (those who would barricade themselves and dial 911 at the slightest hint of danger), I think that most of the folks here would not hesitate to investigate a small unusual noise.
But many apparently balk at investigating noises that are obviously caused by another person or animal.
This makes no sense.
Why?
Because the danger to yourself is the same regardless of the amount of noise!
Actually, the noisier the intruder is, the greater the chances that they are not very experienced, or are drunk, or just plain stupid.
An experienced thief, or an intruder with murder on his mind is much less likely to make alot of noise.
In other words....it's the little "bumb" in the night that is probably more indicative of a dangerous predator.