Controlling a suspect
- Thread starter BillCA
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I sometimes wonder if we were all so young and foolish once. Then I wonder if we were just lucky that we didn't run into any situation where are young and foolish attitudes would get us killed.
It is scary to me that a couple of "future cops" are trying to tell some guys who have BTDT how silly they are for being overly cautious.
What's that saying, to paraphrase, there are old cops and there are bold cops but there aren't any old bold cops. And no, I am not a cop, I am a hillybilly redneck philosopher but I have been in enough hair raising situations to know fear. I have taught self defense martial arts classes. I am a firm believer in the run and hide school of self defense. Am I a coward? Apparantly in the minds of some young men.
I think it is telling that someone thought that the monetary value of their "stuff" mattered and seemed insulted when they thought someone was implying that their stuff wasn't worth that much.
I have expensive stuff too. I am 46 years old and retired and I have been an antique collector for 20 years, you do the math. I don't own anything worth risking my life for, including the mutual funds that allow me to be retired. I would go back to work tomorrow before I would risk my life to protect my stuff.
It is scary to me that a couple of "future cops" are trying to tell some guys who have BTDT how silly they are for being overly cautious.
What's that saying, to paraphrase, there are old cops and there are bold cops but there aren't any old bold cops. And no, I am not a cop, I am a hillybilly redneck philosopher but I have been in enough hair raising situations to know fear. I have taught self defense martial arts classes. I am a firm believer in the run and hide school of self defense. Am I a coward? Apparantly in the minds of some young men.
I think it is telling that someone thought that the monetary value of their "stuff" mattered and seemed insulted when they thought someone was implying that their stuff wasn't worth that much.
I have expensive stuff too. I am 46 years old and retired and I have been an antique collector for 20 years, you do the math. I don't own anything worth risking my life for, including the mutual funds that allow me to be retired. I would go back to work tomorrow before I would risk my life to protect my stuff.
we can all aruge. We can fight. I can tell you what is right, you can tell me what is wrong. If we all lived our life the same way as everyone else, we'd be in living in a perfect world. Because we all think differently, and believe differently in many different areas, thats what keeps it real
Clearly my views are to capture the bad guy. Next in line, is to protect what I have. Next in line to that, is to protect what little respect I have. If someone wants ot break into my house and disrespect me, and steal items I worked hard for, and earned, you bet I'll jump back to the first in line. Simple enough.
Clearly my views are to capture the bad guy. Next in line, is to protect what I have. Next in line to that, is to protect what little respect I have. If someone wants ot break into my house and disrespect me, and steal items I worked hard for, and earned, you bet I'll jump back to the first in line. Simple enough.
JoeBlackSpade
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We can, we just choose not to.
DonR101395
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For my wife and I in our state,
Yes to castle doctrine
Yes to shielded from civil suits if the shooting is deemed justified in or out of the home.
No to attempting to handcuff, especially alone
If they want to walk out we'll let them. We know what they look like and can give a description to the police when they show up.
If we're justified to shoot we'll shoot. e.g. We feel our life is in danger.
Call 911, situational dependent on either investigating or simply barricading and waiting for the cavalry. We've got no delusions of being natural born cops, or Mr and Mrs Smith. We prefer to fade into the gray area of obscurity.
I've got more formal training than a many folks, less than many others and I'm married to a former LEO who now works contract security. She has a good amount of training in firearms, defensive tactics, etc. as well and we've talked it over and ran scenarios. We will do what is situationally appropriate at the time to the best of our ability.
Yes to castle doctrine
Yes to shielded from civil suits if the shooting is deemed justified in or out of the home.
No to attempting to handcuff, especially alone
If they want to walk out we'll let them. We know what they look like and can give a description to the police when they show up.
If we're justified to shoot we'll shoot. e.g. We feel our life is in danger.
Call 911, situational dependent on either investigating or simply barricading and waiting for the cavalry. We've got no delusions of being natural born cops, or Mr and Mrs Smith. We prefer to fade into the gray area of obscurity.
I've got more formal training than a many folks, less than many others and I'm married to a former LEO who now works contract security. She has a good amount of training in firearms, defensive tactics, etc. as well and we've talked it over and ran scenarios. We will do what is situationally appropriate at the time to the best of our ability.
I'm not saying you don't have some expensive stuff, I'm saying you CAN live without it. I tell people the same thing in person. It is not worth dying or killing someone else to protect your property. The fact that you have insurance makes it rediculous, so much so that I wasn't sure you meant it.
You are in line to go on the job, and you 1) don't know the law on using deadly physical force to protect property, 2) probably don't know the case law in your area on said use of force, and 3) seem not to know that your future department almost certainly has a policy on the use of deadly physical force, and very well may hang you out to dry if you are involved in a shooting that contradicts that policy (because your conduct is outside of the scope of your employment). Your insured plasma isn't going to look so valuable if you are out of work, paying $100,000+expenses to a defense laywer to keep you out of jail, and facing a multi-million dollar civil suit without your municipality backing you up or indemnifying you.
As to whether a burglar is a threat to your life, you need to understand that no every bad guy is a threat to anyone's life, including a burglar, and a police officer is likely to encounter many criminals with knives or guns who do NOT need to be shot.
If you get where you want to go, you're going to learn all of this, one way or another.
No you're not...not with that attitude.
Ever heard of an ambush?
And, I don't give a rip.
OK, fella. Here's a challenge for you.
You pick the building. Any building. I don't care how big or how small.
You can have as long as you want to study it. Read the floorplans. Make diagrams.
When you're ready, you let me go in. I will have a paintball gun--or better yet, simunitions. You give me ten minutes.
Now you come in after me.
I will bet you any amount of money that I will light you up before you even see me. You will be wearing more paintball dots than bozo the clown.
XD40, think long and hard before you go into a police job. It's not all dashing and derring-do. The public doesn't fall all over themselves thanking you, either.
And there is no room for badasses, either.
DonR101395
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Only if they take my iron lung
Seriously though, you and Powder gave some good advice.
XD,
I hope you make where you want to go, but you really need to practice being the gray man if you want to last and be successful. It's much better to be the quiet professional with a head full of knowledge and a life full of experience than "that guy" who nobody wants to work with because they view them as a liability.
Let's try to keep it civil guys. Remember it's only the internet.
As a closing thought, I already have my Recommendation Letters, two police explorer positions under my belt, countless ride-alongs and many LEO (low and high on the ladder) as close friends. I know what I'm getting into, and what the job requires.
And yes, it's only the interenet. So none of you can judge me (good or bad) based on my replies on topics.
And yes, it's only the interenet. So none of you can judge me (good or bad) based on my replies on topics.