Controlling a suspect

Thats true. Its only the internet. Thats why I'll stick to my guns and say that, while you are probably more than qualified to be hired as an LEO, your viewpoints will probably (read: hopefully) change as you mature as an officer. Best of luck to you, I mean that. I'm sure you will gain alot from the profession, and I'm sure you've got plenty to contribute.
 
We are not judging you on anything other than your comments on this thread. You may be a great guy in person, but on this one topic in this one thread you are way way off base. Nobody is judging you, just your attitude in this one situation. In fact, it looks to me like a lot of guys with a lot of experience are trying to help you understand where your thinking is going wrong. In my world the fact that these guys would stop and spend the time to try and share with you some of the benifits of their experience is a sign of respect not judgment.

One other thing, how does a single person trot away with a plasma TV anyway? I don't have a plasma TV. The average burglar probably wouldn't recognise what was and wasn't valuable in my house. I have fountain pens worth more than most Plasma TVs but the average person wouldn't notice. I have silverware, real silverware from the late 1800s, worth more than most cars, but the average 18-19 homebreaker probably wouldn't know that from stainless. But more importantly I wouldn't hesitate to let that stuff walk right out of my house if it means avoiding a violent situation.

A final note. I have never been in a violent altercation instigated by anyone over 25. Coincidence?
 
OK, fella. Here's a challenge for you.
You pick the building. Any building. I don't care how big or how small.
You can have as long as you want to study it. Read the floorplans. Make diagrams.
When you're ready, you let me go in. I will have a paintball gun--or better yet, simunitions. You give me ten minutes.
Now you come in after me.
I will bet you any amount of money that I will light you up before you even see me. You will be wearing more paintball dots than bozo the clown.
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That's not what this thread is about....
Of course anyone would have a huge disadvantage ENTERING a building occupied by a hostile enemy.
That only reenforces my point:
In my own home I have the advantage over anyone breaking in.
But a cop called out to my home, to clear it for me, is being placed at even greater risk than if I had did the job myself.

Here's a challenge for you...

We use paintball guns.
You come to my house and simulate and break in.
I predict that you'll end up looking like a bag of Skiddles!:p
 
Thanks guys. I don't try to be an ass but sometimes I just get a lil into these internet fourms!

And I guess just the nature of how I'm trying to help people all the time, and get rid of these badguys in the world, often will carry over into my personal life, and how I would handel a situation. For example, the other day at the store, a woman (lil older, 50s) had a lil hand dog. Completly harmless, and some punk kid walked up and started to harrass her about her dog, and dogs arn't allowed in the store..really stickin it to her. Of course I walk up and instantly stand up for this helpless woman, calm, but firm, not mean what-so-ever. and a manager finaly comes over, and escorts this trouble maker out of the store. He must have really been off his wagon! this really had nothing to do with anything..but thought I'd share my story to show what kind of guy I am..well at least try to explain.

and honsetly..lol I have no idea who could haul out a 60'' plasama..without droping it at least and breaking it!

But I understand what you're saying
 
easyG I'm TOTALY down if you want to do that! of course, in your home! I dunno how wifey would like it if we had a bunch of paintballs around our house..:rolleyes:
 
I like the idea of running from the house screaming like a little girl, leaving SWMBO to take care of the problem:

"Why you come into my house numbnuts? You not behave nicely! Say sorry! NO! Say sorry from heart, japanese way, disgusting kingpin of crime!(***yes! she uses that word all the time...KINGPIN!,,,KINGPIN!!!!lol****) I keel you with jumping kick in secret place! Eyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

WildheckshemakesMEbegformercyAlaska TM
 
I like the idea of running from the house screaming like a little girl, leaving SWMBO to take care of the problem:

"Why you come into my house numbnuts? You not behave nicely! Say sorry! NO! Say sorry from heart, japanese way, disgusting kingpin of crime!(***yes! she uses that word all the time...KINGPIN!,,,KINGPIN!!!!lol****) I keel you with jumping kick in secret place! Eyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
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dude,
You kill me. Always good for a laugh.
 
Hey it's true! Go asks vets of the Pacific...these folks have no fear! She came after me with a ruler one day cuz I scomphed up her Pringles! A burglar has no chance!

WildtheycanstillwackkidsoverthereformisbehaviorwhichiswhytheyareallwellbehavedAlaska TM
 
Miranda Warning and Citizen's Arrest Don't Mix!

A previous poster says, "Technically, you could make a citizen's arrest (you have memorized "Miranda" haven't you?) or you can hold him for the police".

Miranda Warnings come into play ONLY IF you are acting under the "color of authority" as a police officer or other representative of the government.
 
Good point Captain38!

Technically Miranda applies only for LEO's if they are going to question the suspect. I can transport without Miranda, and anything you say to me I can "use". I just can't "initiate" the conversation.
In fact, I say something like, "Get in, sit down and be quiet."

Biker
 
I have often wondered about the so-called "citizen's arrest", you hear about it on TV and when macho types are discussing what they'd do in certain situations, but is what is the truth? Holding someone, no matter the provocation, seems dangerously close to kidnapping to me, at least from a legal standpoint.

BTW, if a guy picks up a 60" plasma TV by himself both his hands are full, that's my signal to escape, because the last thing in the world I want to do is get into any confrontation with a guy who can walk around holding a 60" TV.
 
That's not what this thread is about....
Of course anyone would have a huge disadvantage ENTERING a building occupied by a hostile enemy.
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See, though that is the whole point. Stop thinking of your house as a house and think of it as a collection of rooms. BG occupies one room you occupy the other. If there's gonna be a gunfight don't you want it to be in your occupied territory and not his?

Option 1:
Burglar in living room, he occupies it, possibly lying in wait for me to stick my head around the corner.
Option 2:
Me in bedroom doorway, facing down the hall waiting for him to stick his head around the corner.

I'll take option 2..........

I like the idea of running from the house screaming like a little girl, leaving SWMBO to take care of the problem:
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Especially when she's probably the only one who knows where your Seecamp is. :D
 
As a closing thought, I already have my Recommendation Letters, two police explorer positions under my belt, countless ride-alongs and many LEO (low and high on the ladder) as close friends. I know what I'm getting into, and what the job requires.

And yes, it's only the interenet. So none of you can judge me (good or bad) based on my replies on topics.
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When they ask for aliases or nicknames on the application, remember to put this screenname down. Once they google it, they'll be the judge of your replies.
 
I have often wondered about the so-called "citizen's arrest", you hear about it on TV and when macho types are discussing what they'd do in certain situations, but is what is the truth? Holding someone, no matter the provocation, seems dangerously close to kidnapping to me, at least from a legal standpoint.
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Not sure about other jurisdictions, but here in NC if the guy is not presenting a threat to your life or a threat of serious bodily harm and you use a weapon to detain him against his will it will be you going to the pokey. No such "citizen's arrest" provisions here.
 
Tying all this back to the OP, I think what most of us on the "don't go charging in side" are saying is protect your kids, your wife, and yourself and don't worry about apprehending the badguy or protecting your stuff. I have a lot of stuff too, but only three things in my house are irreplaceable. I'll stand between them and the devil himself if need be, but if the devil wants my plasma TV he can have it.
 
Thanks so much for bringing this back on target. I think it's pretty clear that from a legal standpoint, the BG gets to fly should he decide to grow wings on his feet. In my experience with "at risk" (yeah-politically correct term) teenagers (15-17) from "underprivileged neighborhoods". Oh heck, young criminals who got one last chance before going to the training school - every move is FAST. I've never seen a slow attack (well, once).
Anyhow, as I see it, If they decide to bolt they won't even hear you yell "STOP". They will go over things or through them. They will run through briars, brambles and places where a chipmunk would get caught up. That is *IF* they decide to take flight. *IF* they do not, their move at you will be just as fast. If for any unforseen reason you *are* holding them (why? doesn't matter, this is IF) keep it straight and simple - NO DIALOGUE- Others have stated "palms up" I think that's a good idea.
I was trained in how to restrain them. NO WAY, not in a home situation. Wife is on the phone with 911 while guarding kids (with her own gun) in a safe room IN the house. I haven't deduced whether he's got a buddy, and I'm not going to trust him anyway. IF IF IF I was to need to hold him. (Dog #1 will usually listen and go to momma, but never seen him in such a situation. He may be biting his face. That would complicate things. Dog #2 will be sniffing his crack.
In my primary home, cops should be no more than 5 mins away - even that's a stretch. If I'm in Maine, a LOT longer. Living aboard our boat in summer, he'd have a great time getting out of the marina. About a quarter of the boats on my dock are owned by retired LEO's. Press one button on the VHF (we have a system) and anyone at the marina with their radio on (most are) hears your conversation. We posted a sign warning of this, but the marina made us take it down. He'd have about ten dogs after him, and spotlights everywhere. These boats are worth three times as much as most homes (hear that myXD?), but even with all this, I don't think a single one of us would actually try to hold him. It would be more like a spotlight exhibition, and the local cops will be there really fast. I hope it never happens, but it would be interesting to see the cops pull him out of the drink.
 
/\ I can hear it now; "That was MY spotlight" "Quiet small town boy, it was mine"..... Blah, Blah, Yackety Schmackety......
 
Thanks guys. I don't try to be an ass but sometimes I just get a lil into these internet fourms!

And I guess just the nature of how I'm trying to help people all the time, and get rid of these badguys in the world, often will carry over into my personal life, and how I would handel a situation. For example, the other day at the store, a woman (lil older, 50s) had a lil hand dog. Completly harmless, and some punk kid walked up and started to harrass her about her dog, and dogs arn't allowed in the store..really stickin it to her. Of course I walk up and instantly stand up for this helpless woman, calm, but firm, not mean what-so-ever. and a manager finaly comes over, and escorts this trouble maker out of the store. He must have really been off his wagon! this really had nothing to do with anything..
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One more general thing, and understand that I'm not comming down on you, but in general, don't make things personal. Don't make them about you, about the other guy, about the third-party (victim). Just take things for what they are, understand that in a lot of situations, including this internet forum (where no one knows you, and no one had any idea who you were before you started posting), in the store in your story above, and on the street, people are reacting to situations, not the people involved. If some guy tells you he hates cops, that doesn't mean anything to you. If a guy fights you, it's still not about you.

Also, in your story above, I would not have gotten involved the way you did. If I thought it was a big deal, I would have told a store employee or manager. Let them decide what the rules are in their store.

but thought I'd share my story to show what kind of guy I am..well at least try to explain.
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It does. The easy way to learn is to listen and believe the guys who already learned. The hard way is to learn on your own. You aren't starting out for a worse place than anyone else, but you are going to learn a lot, whether you are LEO or not. Do as much learning the easy way as you can.
 
I'm glad I got to this thread late. Had I read it yesterday evening, it most likely would've gone the way of the Lights-On-Guns thread. As it is, things seem to have settled down and a few are trying to get things back on track, so this will stay open... for now.

It's still somewhat off topic though. BillCA didn't ask whether or not you should clear your own house. He didn't ask whether or not to control a suspect once he's given up.

And, he didn't ask whether or not MyXD40 will make a good cop. (Powderman nailed it in his last two paragraphs though.)

What he did ask is...

How much training have you devoted to controlling a suspect/threat if he appears to capitulate?
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The assumption is that you are going to control him.

Now, the question is, how are you going to do that? ;)
 
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