zombie-themed guns/ammo: fun or legal liability??
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Post #60....
I disagree with post #60. It's not showing a bias or being prejudice if you are against something that may seem or appear unusual/counter to the norm.
In a lethal force event or a wrongful death action, are you going to be in a court-room or lawyer's office defending your zombie gun or pistol covered with grim reapers?
Im sure the family members or friends of the "victim" will be there, wearing conservative suits/business clothes & be clean shaven to look "good" to the judge & jury.
I don't think a legal argument of bias or slanted opinion of your zombie killer firearm will help your case.
Judges, juries, court systems, etc go by the social norms of society. You can make a valid point that its not fair or too broad to follow but that's what it is.
These are issues to bear in mind when you strap on a firearm or carry a loaded weapon in the open public.
If you don't think a "jury of your peers" or a court would agree with your choices/actions, then don't do it.
I disagree with post #60. It's not showing a bias or being prejudice if you are against something that may seem or appear unusual/counter to the norm.
In a lethal force event or a wrongful death action, are you going to be in a court-room or lawyer's office defending your zombie gun or pistol covered with grim reapers?
Im sure the family members or friends of the "victim" will be there, wearing conservative suits/business clothes & be clean shaven to look "good" to the judge & jury.
I don't think a legal argument of bias or slanted opinion of your zombie killer firearm will help your case.
Judges, juries, court systems, etc go by the social norms of society. You can make a valid point that its not fair or too broad to follow but that's what it is.
These are issues to bear in mind when you strap on a firearm or carry a loaded weapon in the open public.
If you don't think a "jury of your peers" or a court would agree with your choices/actions, then don't do it.
Wreck-n-Crew
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I think there is one point made that is important. It's not always what me or you see, but what a prosecutor and even a jury may see.The only reason they would/could see it that way is the perversion of art by sick minded individuals.
Because of that information and insight it makes this thread worth having. Those that perverted the zombie theme, make the thread viable, not the popularity of zombies or anyone who don't like them on guns.
Personally I like the Punisher grips for the 1911 that are popular. Just the look. But had I served my country or community, i would probably have a Marine corps emblem, or police badge theme on it. Also I see how the Punisher grips could be percieved in a negative fashion as well.
Yes. Even Pearl and ivory handled revolvers back in the late 19th and early twentieth century. But even they were seen in a negative light at times. Often perceived as a gunslinger outlaw type. The problem with art is perception when it comes to firearms.
I hope one day that it is no longer perverted or seen in a negative light, but I won't hold my breath.
Tactical Jackalope
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Yeah, I have nothing "zombie" but a few DVD's. Fun to watch, depressing to think about being in that type of situation. Like really think about it.
The ammo is marketing and the guns are marketing. I also agree, it won't look good in front of a jury.
The ammo is marketing and the guns are marketing. I also agree, it won't look good in front of a jury.
I read in a gun rag once that zombie targets were used by some professionals to eliminate the chance that someone would think that they are using targets that represent any stereotype.
As far as these themed guns go, and any other gun goes... The vast majority will be purchased, looked at and put away until a buddy visits to show it off.... May never be fired or even loaded... Just like any normal firearm the new wears off and spends eternity tucked away in a closet.
As far as these themed guns go, and any other gun goes... The vast majority will be purchased, looked at and put away until a buddy visits to show it off.... May never be fired or even loaded... Just like any normal firearm the new wears off and spends eternity tucked away in a closet.
Closing The Gap
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Actually Tom, the thread is about whether Zombie guns are fun OR legal liability. I in know way said I didn't see the potential for those adornments to be harmful in a court case or not. But if I were at the range and ONLY had my zombie gun it would not deter me in the least to protect my family using it.
My main point is about those of us bashing/name calling/stereotyping folks who own something they don't like just because it doesn't suit their particular tastes. It goes on all the time and in all corners of our side. We have enough of a hill to climb battling those who are clearly against us.
Edit: Maybe I should have pointed to the specific post numbers in my first posting where blind bashing occurred. However, I didn't feel the need in order for my point to be understood.
My main point is about those of us bashing/name calling/stereotyping folks who own something they don't like just because it doesn't suit their particular tastes. It goes on all the time and in all corners of our side. We have enough of a hill to climb battling those who are clearly against us.
Edit: Maybe I should have pointed to the specific post numbers in my first posting where blind bashing occurred. However, I didn't feel the need in order for my point to be understood.
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Punisher themes....
the Punisher theme to me doesn't make a lot of sense for a defense or carry/duty sidearm either.
When you read or learn the "back-story" of who & what the Punisher is, you may not want to be so supportive.
I read a few Punisher comic books has a teen & young adult. I thought Marvel Comics took things a tad far with the character & it wasn't really a "role-model" like Superman or Batman or Spiderman.
Punisher skulls were a logo of Chris Kyle(the acclaimed Navy SEAL sniper) & his SEAL team mates deployed to SW Asia. In American Sniper, Kyle recounts how the SEALs put Punisher skulls on their weapons & kit.
What boosts morale or builds self-esteem in a combat environment may not be ideal for a carry gun/duty pistol in CONUS.
Not all jurors may see the logos or emblems the same way. If you apply lethal force to another person, the jurors/lawyers may be even more critical.
CF
the Punisher theme to me doesn't make a lot of sense for a defense or carry/duty sidearm either.
When you read or learn the "back-story" of who & what the Punisher is, you may not want to be so supportive.
I read a few Punisher comic books has a teen & young adult. I thought Marvel Comics took things a tad far with the character & it wasn't really a "role-model" like Superman or Batman or Spiderman.
Punisher skulls were a logo of Chris Kyle(the acclaimed Navy SEAL sniper) & his SEAL team mates deployed to SW Asia. In American Sniper, Kyle recounts how the SEALs put Punisher skulls on their weapons & kit.
What boosts morale or builds self-esteem in a combat environment may not be ideal for a carry gun/duty pistol in CONUS.
Not all jurors may see the logos or emblems the same way. If you apply lethal force to another person, the jurors/lawyers may be even more critical.
CF
I don't see these as much more than personalization, honestly. Now will they cause trouble down the line if they happen to be the weapons used? Most certainly, because let's face it, everyone has an agenda and prosecutors is to make a case and get a conviction. If that means they vilify you for having a 'customized' weapon...
Frank Ettin
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That has nothing to do with personal agenda and is the way process works.ThesNazud said:
A trial is an adversarial proceeding. Each side has an ethical and professional obligation to, within the framework of the applicable rules, zealously and vigorously represent the interests of his client. And therefore:
- The lawyer on each side of a dispute has an incentive and professional obligation to put forth, consistent with the applicable rules of evidence and procedure, every fact that will be helpful to his side's interests.
- The lawyer on each side of a dispute has an incentive and professional obligation to argue the law as most favorable to his side's interests.
- The lawyer on each side of a dispute has an incentive and professional obligation to challenge the other side if he thinks that the other side has overstepped the rules or if he thinks the evidence put forth by the other side is not credible.
- The judge is there to rule on disputed matters of law and generally see that the rules of evidence and procedure are followed.
- Thus the adversarial system encourages that all facts material to the deciding of the dispute get out on the table.
OldMarksman
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Sure.
No.
The weapon used will be introduced as evidence, period. The jury will see it. Count on it.
Snickering? What snickering?
The state's investigators will no doubt be asked to testify regarding evidence that the ammunition used in the event was fired from the defendant's firearm. Mention of the brand is not unlikely.
It would be best for he defendant that the description not have an unfavorable effect on the jurors.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Folks keep thinking that the DA has to have some kind of big histrionic presentation of the gun or ammo. That's not the case.
Simple exposure to the firearms and their characteristics without a dramatic antigun presentation can influence them in an ambiguous shoot.
When the gun is introduced - watch DA's clearly present the gun. The DC sniper DA slowly assembled the modern sporting rifle (oops!) for the jury when it was presented. Know the research or experiences behind such?
Simple exposure to the firearms and their characteristics without a dramatic antigun presentation can influence them in an ambiguous shoot.
When the gun is introduced - watch DA's clearly present the gun. The DC sniper DA slowly assembled the modern sporting rifle (oops!) for the jury when it was presented. Know the research or experiences behind such?
I'm not a lawyer.... But have sat on a few juries.
There will be no emotional response from a judge.... The judge will mearly allow things to happen in the courtroom or he/she won't.
On a side note... Some of these judges will have a large obnoxious handgun within arms length ....
There will be no emotional response from a judge.... The judge will mearly allow things to happen in the courtroom or he/she won't.
On a side note... Some of these judges will have a large obnoxious handgun within arms length ....
While zombies aren't my "thing" I don't care if someone else has them on their firearms, or has them camoflauged etc. Using the reasoning that a zombie themed firearm could get you into more legal trouble is akin to saying that if you had say a 1911 with a Marine Corps logo on it you are more liable. My goodness the Marine Corps trains people to kill, heaven forbid if you used a NRA marked weapon, not to mentioned the myriad of various themes, skulls, cobras etc. etc.
Frank Ettin
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Then what does (post 73):ThesNazud said:
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