kennybs plbg
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This is almost as bad as the time my 16 yo son was suspended for quacking at a duck in the school courtyard and hurting its feelings, but I won't go there.
I kid you not.
kenny b
I kid you not.
kenny b
Zero Tolerance Strikes Again - 6 y.o. Victim Suspended
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rgoudy1975
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*shouts* "Check please." I'm leaving Earth.
I clearly remember in High School that half of the pickup trucks in the school parking lot had guns in window racks year round. There were the usual fist fights, right amongst all of those guns and no one ever used anything other than their fists. Every boy and half the girls had a pocket knife. It isn't the tool, it is the user of the tool that causes damage, or good.
It truly is moronic that so many people project evil natures into inanimate objects. Have we begun some kind of weird cylcic return to animism?
It truly is moronic that so many people project evil natures into inanimate objects. Have we begun some kind of weird cylcic return to animism?
Cacique500
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While in school I was stabbed with pencils...twice. I still have the 'lead' marks in both places.
While in school I was never stabbed with a knife...though almost ALL of us carried a small pocketknife.
Zero tolerance is a ridiculous concept.
While in school I was never stabbed with a knife...though almost ALL of us carried a small pocketknife.
Zero tolerance is a ridiculous concept.
Uhh, last time I checked people weren't actually punished until AFTER they committed an actual crime which includes the intent part. So punishing someone BEFORE they do something wrong is, well, wrong. Zero tolerance laws punish without considering intent or circumstance. As such they violate the law.
Just one question: Exactly what is it that they let the kids use to butter bread in the cafeteria at that school? Their fingers?
kennybs plbg
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Actually it was so absurd it was handled within and a recision was given and replaced with 3 days of after school detention. The latter was for his mouth and disrespect of the teacher after he voiced his opinion of her. Even though he was correct. The so called lesson created a monster for his last two years. If a teacher said something was black he proved it white, right was proved wrong and backed with facts not feelings or opinions. A 5 page report on the Swastika and its true orgin is another example. He's not a very PC person today.
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thatguyjosh
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And this leads back to what someone else said earlier, "It's not the weapons, it's the children we are raising today."
Lets see... during my 4 years of high school hell I was stabbed with pencils, hit with books, insulted, etc. Wonder where that zero tolerance sh*t was then. And kenny, I knew teachers just like friends. The swastikas original meaning is very honorable and is used commonly, only thing is the Nazis perverted one TYPE of swastika and people just keep getting them mixed up. I know some religious friends of mine who came over from Japan and having swastikas on their stuff shows their belif and they were suspended and they had no idea what they did wrong.
And that thing bout the kid bringing a butter knife to school, I can deal more damage with the plastic knife they hand out in the cafeteria than a dull butter knife. Oh no! Cafeteria employees are handing out deadly weapons(forks and knifes), quick, suspend them with no pay!
And that thing bout the kid bringing a butter knife to school, I can deal more damage with the plastic knife they hand out in the cafeteria than a dull butter knife. Oh no! Cafeteria employees are handing out deadly weapons(forks and knifes), quick, suspend them with no pay!
josh ~
The children we're raising today are the same as human beings have always been. There hasn't been some drastic evolutionary change to make human nature any different than it was 50 years ago. Human nature hasn't changed.
What has changed is the way children are raised in this country. They used to be raised to be responsible for their actual behavior, and pretty much left alone otherwise.
When I was little, for instance, my brother and I would literally play outside all day long, all summer long, with only minimal notice from our mother or any other adult. We had sling shots, bb guns, pocket knives, and lots of other cool stuff. My brother had a 20-gauge shotgun that he started hunting with, by himself, when he was 8 years old. We both knew mom & dad would kill us if we did anything stupid or dangerous or bad with our toys, and then our toys would get taken away.
Things are different now. My friends think I'm nuts because I let my children play unsupervised in our own backyard. Their kids aren't ever allowed to have any privacy, any time to "just be kids," without some adult standing over them and forcing them to do stuff the adults think would be fun. They snatch such toys away from their children, not because the kids have misbehaved in some way, but simply because cool toys are "bad." It doesn't matter what the little darlings actually do: on the one hand, the kids get punished for even looking at cool toys, or for trying to learn how to do stuff adults do, but the little darlings are never, ever punished for actual misbehavior because that might hurt the kids' self-esteem.
The result is that their kids don't know how to safely use any of the tool-toys my brother and I grew up with, and have no sense of responsibility about those things either. The kids are very likely to misuse those things if they do get their hands on them because the kids get in trouble no matter what they actually do. The kids only time those kids get punished is not for misbehaving, but simply for having something cool and interesting to play with that the adult doesn't like.
So then these same people presume to dictate the rules at the local public school. Instead of holding kids accountable for what the kids actually do, they punish, berate, and chide the children for simply having stuff.
Recipe for disaster.
(Heh, and none of this has to do with a butter "knife" which is not a cool toy, can't be used to actually harm any living person, and wasn't brought to school on purpose. But the contention that "kids are different now" needed some analysis!)
pax
Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. -- Socrates
thisisJosh is a FREAKING PLANT!!! It's people like you that drive these ridiculous no tolerance policies. Go back to the DU and give up this attempt, we can see right through you.
The gun owners here are ALL rational people, you sir, are not thinking rationally. This is why I know you are a troll, a plant from the DU most likely. A butter knife isn't a knife any more then a metal ruler would be. A butter knife is blunt and cant cut anything other then toast and butter and yet just because it's called a knife you get all afraid. You know what Sigmund Freud would say about your condition?
I agree with you Blackmind 100% like always.
If I wanted an effective weapon at school I would be much better off swinging a calculus book then trying to do anything with a tiny blunt piece of metal designed to spread butter. A butterknife is not a weapon and should not fall under any no tolerance or anti weapon policy. I don't care that it has the word "knife" in it. If you are going to classify butterknifes as weapons then you better take a long hard look at what kids are using in classrooms.
The gun owners here are ALL rational people, you sir, are not thinking rationally. This is why I know you are a troll, a plant from the DU most likely. A butter knife isn't a knife any more then a metal ruler would be. A butter knife is blunt and cant cut anything other then toast and butter and yet just because it's called a knife you get all afraid. You know what Sigmund Freud would say about your condition?
I agree with you Blackmind 100% like always.
If I wanted an effective weapon at school I would be much better off swinging a calculus book then trying to do anything with a tiny blunt piece of metal designed to spread butter. A butterknife is not a weapon and should not fall under any no tolerance or anti weapon policy. I don't care that it has the word "knife" in it. If you are going to classify butterknifes as weapons then you better take a long hard look at what kids are using in classrooms.
<trinity>Integrate this. :whap: < </trinity>
When challenging my company's zero-tolerance no-weapons policy, I included with my letter a detailed and exhaustive list of how each and every item in my office and the company kitchen could be used to injure or kill.
HR was not precisely amused. Their answer was (and this is a direct quote): "Not only no, but HELL no."
-BP
Zekewolf, do you have a link to the story?
Ingram - Doesn't matter much who Josh might be. If we can't be reasonable rational adults, then we are no better than who you think Josh might be. Berating someone just because they don't agree with you is neither reasonable nor rational.
Ingram - Doesn't matter much who Josh might be. If we can't be reasonable rational adults, then we are no better than who you think Josh might be. Berating someone just because they don't agree with you is neither reasonable nor rational.
thatguyjosh
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I honestly have know idea what the DU is, so please enlighten me.
I'm sorry I don't conform to what everyone else thinks about the zero tolerance laws, I guess I should be banned huh?
