Wolf ammunition, is it really that bad?

I will echo the sentiment of "what exactly are you expecting to do with it", how some ever, I've easily shot 1,000+ rounds of Wolf 5.56 through my Mini, and have yet to have a problem, granted, I'm fairly fanatical about a post range cleaning every time.

Also, I've probably sent ~400 9x19mm rounds down range in my P-95DC and have yet to have nary a problem.

And as far as thier 7.62x39mm stuff, you can't beat it. My Romanian AK clone chews it up all day. And seems to like it more than Remington or Winchester factory 7.62x39, atleast from an accuracy view point.

And, speaking from the broke college kid prospective, you can't beat thier price.

Also, there is just something nice about being able to stash back a tin of 1,000 7.62x39 rounds and a 1,000 .233 rounds without breaking the bank.:D
 
See Willie D 's post above. That's the key.
Some are better than others. That Wolf Match target .22, is some of the most accurate .22 ammo.
 
christcorp::)
Two thumbs up.
Lots of guys will live forever, but for me life is too short to worry about something that prevents me from having fun with guns.

Being middle aged, guns are more accurate than I'll ever be.
Fun is the objective, especially with small floating plastic bottles from 70-100-150 feet using iron sights.
 
I bought a bunch of Wolf Gold 160's for my 7mm Rem. Mag. and it has some very impressive accuracy for inexpensive ammo. I shoot it in a Savage 116 bolt gun and have encountered zero problem using it.
 
My experience with steel case wolf in .45acp, 5.56 and 7.62 has been OK. I probably wouldn't use it in a "new" gun but if it's had a few hundreds rounds your GTG. I just bought some Wolf Gold in 6.5 G and it shoots surprising well for $14 a box Grendel ammo. It's Privi brass I believe, so it should reload well. I've had good luck with all the Privi I have reloaded.
 
Here's the truth about Wolf ammo (I'm talking about their steel cased stuff). It's not that bad, but it's not that good...

For me, it's my last choice of ammo, but I will still use it if I have no other choice.

Their brass cased stuff is pretty good.
 
Yes, it's really that bad.

But if the gun was designed for awful rooski ammo (kalashnikov, makarov, etc...), it's not a problem.

Their brass cased stuff is pretty good.
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That's because it's made by Prvi, and repackaged in Wolf Gold boxes. Prvi makes acceptable ammo, the russian companies that produce ammo for Wolf, in general, do not.
 
The Russian made steel cased ammo is all I run in my CZ VZ58. It was made to eat the stuff. I've never fed it to another rifle, or pistol that I own. It is relatively inexpensive, but tends to be dirty as all get out. My CZ likes the Golden Tiger better than Wolf, or Silver Bear. It will eat them all without an issue though.
 
There is no "Made to run this stuff" scenario. Enough people have already explained why some people have issues with steel case ammo. If you want to believe that the ammo will hurt your gun, go ahead and believe it. That perception is wrong; but believe what you want.

Steel case is not going to hurt your AR-15 or anything else you shoot it through. I won't repeat why some people have issues. Go back and read it if you want. if you don't want to..... that's fine too.

The accuracy of the ammo is not as good as most USA made ammo. But then again; there are plenty of people who simply want to shoot paper targets. They aren't trying to get accuracy at the level people who use the acronym "MOA" want. If all you care about is shooting and having fun, then shoot the steel case ammo. It's inexpensive and will do what you want. If you're into marksmanship, competition, long rang accuracy shooting, etc.... then don't use it. As for problems shooting it; most times that the shooter and the rifle; not the ammo. Know how to shoot it and clean. Just like "Corrosive Ammo". Too many ignorant people who think it's bad on your gun to shoot corrosive military surplus ammo. It's not. Not at all. If you know how to shoot it and spend the extra 2 minutes to clean the barrel/chamber/bolt with soapy water after shooting. But there will be those who claim B.S. I won't shoot steel case, corrosive, etc... in my precious gun. Fine; no one really cares what anyone shoots in their gun. Trust me. There isn't one person on this forum that really cares about anyone else here; and they aren't going to lose any sleep on what I shoot, you shoot, or anyone else shoots.

Some people will never touch it. I shoot .223 steel case Wolf, Tula, Bear, MFS, and some others in my AR-15 M&P. I shoot probably 90% steel case. Now honestly; there are some guns that simply don't like a particular brand. I find this even with brass ammo. So, if your gun for some reason doesn't like wolf, that doesn't mean it doesn't like STEEL CASE, just wolf. It might should bear, barnaul, MFS, Tula, or some of the others just fine. And if you mention sticking cases, it means you don't know how to clean your rifle, or you're shooting/mixing steel and brass. Anyway; have fun. I'll continue to shoot my 400+ rounds of .223 steel case every month and have plenty of money left over to shoot some more.
 
I should add, I have no problem with quality steel cased ammo, like that by Hornady, or even Bear ammo, barnaul, etc... but I don't like Wolf all that much. I've had blown primers with it and other small issues such as accuracy (or lack of), etc...

I don't care if it smells bad. I don't care if it's "dirty". I just want it to work, and steel cased Wolf is marginal at best. Last resort ammo...
 
OK lets say your high dollar premium ammo or your expensive carefully crafted handloads will shoot one half inch 100 yard groups on the bench.

Wolf will shoot two inch groups.

Once you get off that bench, assuming you ever do get off that bench, and practice shooting in the real world where benches don't exist, the two MOA Wolf will hit any real world target YOU can.

Why waste so much money shooting high dollar rounds when without your bench you are lucky to be able to shoot 15 MOA even with your best ammo?

I would be willing to bet the farm that 99% of the people reading this can't shoot Wolf to it's accuracy potential without your bench and sandbags.

Unless you are a master class or better Highpower shooter a two MOA ammo and rifle combo is MUCH better than you are or ever will be.

500 rounds of cheap Wolf ammo shot away from a bench when trying to learn real shooting skills is MUCH better for you than a million rounds of premuim ammo shot on a bench.
 
If I can shoot my handloads 2moa offhand, there is no way you can do it with wolf, tula, or ant of that other crap they call ammo
 
Their .22 Match ammo is great. I've never used their centerfire stuff. Seems like you can often find other quality brands in most cases for just as cheaper or cheaper though so I've never picked it up. I don't have a .223 though so it may be cheaper for that.
 
Were it not for the price of Wolf and other Russian-made ammo, I never would have considered buying my used Mini 14, 30 nor my SKS from February-April '08.
 
I've heard some 'off the wall' things being said here, so I will state my opinion and move on. ;)

Wolf ammo is steel cased ammo with a hot melt varnish applied.

This is ok if you are firing a non-SAAMI spec firearm like an imported AK clone, Milsurp FAL, etc ... The reason it causes failures in modern firearms is because of 2 major problems in the design.

1) Rapid fire of the rifle or pistol heats the barrel / chamber and melts the varnish. This leaves a slight film in your chamber that is next to impossible to remove unless you really work at it. After 500+ rounds you can really tell the difference. If you aren't careful ... you can throw your rifle out of spec fast, and cause some really high pressures in the chamber due to the buildup.

2) Steel cased ammo does not have the flex that brass cased ammo has. Brass will expand inside the chamber once fired, and when the pressures subside ... the brass shrinks. Steel doesn't always do this. It retains 99% of it's shape once it has been fired.

Shoot it if you want to, but I choose not to.
 
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"If I can shoot my handloads 2moa offhand..."
You can be a world class shooter....
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+1 about that. I know it's a bit of a hijack but it's hard to resist a comment like that, even though it started with "If".
The ten ring of an NRA 100 yard (reduced from 200) is 3.35" wide. If you can shoot two inch groups off hand, You have a good chance at becoming the National Champion (assuming that you can shoot the other positions as well.)
Pete
 
how many mil surp rifles do you suppose are out there, that have shot years and years worth of steel cased corrosive ammo?
 
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