why do you Kill ?

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Thats a complex question

You do raise a point that is a least partially valid however its not simply "killing" ethical hunters practice fair chase and kill animals humanely not simply because they can but because it is an enjoyable pastime for some of us and it is the only way other than the grills of cars that the deer population is controlled. i hunt varmints such as prarie dogs in pastures because it has to be done to control them and i hunt coyotes because there are too many of them and they also eat my cats which are responsible for controling mice so i guess you could say its about maintaining balance in nature and the people who decide how many tags to give out definetly know their facts and would stop hunting if it were a bad thing
 
Hey Jan!

I dont get it. Why the heck wont you anser some of these fellas with a lil logic? BTW I heard from somewhere (cant remeber where) that socilisem is big in the EU.... & that some of UK`s Parlament members are socilists... Is this correct? Oh & is it illegal to own a firearm (as in a weapon that fires bullets & in some cases i hear crossbow bolts) in the UK?
 
Socialism is big in Europe especially France, Spain and Germany where you get 50% penison "or more" for being unemployed and can basically go on without a job and get the free paycheck. Unions are huge and hold the business' hostage so profit sucks, And in France it is ILLEGAL to work more than 35 hours a week because some people actually complained when hard workers were taking up the work so they thought they wouldnt be hireed. It goes on and on..and the Europeons wonder why there economy sucks right now. Oh ya and Frances, Germany and Spains unemployment rate is is all around 10%. DOUBLE what ours is and thats huge because their populations are far less than ours. England is sadly giving in to this socialist crap. Firearms are for the most part illegal, while you may be able to buy some guns, you have no where NEAR the selection you have in the US.
I lived in Europe for 4 years "unfortunetly" when I was a teenager. Lived in Stavanger Norway. "Dads in Oil business" To tell you the truth I kinda liked Norway, beautiful country with fjords for fishing and moutains covererd in forrests with a relatively low population, It would be a hunters paradise. but was completely unimpressed with the rest of Europe while we toured it on vaction. England was ok France was not.. dirty country, rude people. The rest was just.. shall I say Overrated :p

The Revolver
Not as clumsy or random as the semi-auto
An elegant weapon for a more civilized society
 
Actually if you have been keeping up with this stuff it is quite known that Germany and France are having labor problems,"it involves unions, high taxes and socialist handouts etc." and Im not worried about the dollar at all, things in Europe are becoming expensive and since the dollar is a little weaker now Europeans are coming here to buy things more than normally which is a good thing for us too. I actually was wandering why I was seeing so many Euros here lately compared to normal, shopping sprees...
Looks like their politics isnt stopping them from coming over here to shop. :rolleyes:

If you want more info on this buy the magazine "The economist" its a good source of international business info.
 
Contrary to what the neo-conservative talking heads and international investors say, turning us into another China for the benefit of Europa is not a "good thing". The establishment types will use any excuse they can come up with to prop up their flawed system in Europe and ours in the States.

Sorry, we got some serious thread drift going on here and it's mostly my fault..

I won't be responding anymore in this thread.
 
Ever try to find prime elk meat at your grocery? Also, its kind of an excuse to get away from the wife, people, etc and just relax, do what YOU want, get back to the basic nature of nature. No stupid cell phones, bosses nagging you, dishes, you know, the crap that makes your life miserable. Plus, was always kind of a father-son bonding experience. Never had as much fun hunting as i did with my dad (have hunted with him since i was 15, then i moved to FL, havent hunted since).
 
Jan, I have a suggeston

This is an PRO-GUN and PRO hunting for the most part.
I say this incase you diddnt understand that
 
alright whats the point

we've all raised valid points here except maybe Jan. We all seem to agree that "killing" isnt the right term, that deer and other wild game taste good and jan actually does hire people to kill for her even with the "free-range" animals unless they are live. neither do the rest of us hire people to "kill" for us because as hunters we do it all ourselves. it would appear to me that the anti hunting and anti gun people have no logic behind their arguments and cant stand up to a little bit of argument without folding

someday the liberals will lose and our gun control laws in canada will fail and that very day im going out to buy an AR just because i can (thats right im a redneck)
 
Jan, I have a suggeston
This is an PRO-GUN and PRO hunting for the most part.
I say this incase you diddnt understand that
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But it's open to everyone.

Jan's from the UK, and may have some trouble learning our perspective. Help her out, okay? :)
 
welcome Jan

I have conflicting ideas about meat myself. don't get me wrong i'm big on hunting love the time outdoors and the chase (i've come home empty handed more then a few times). I grew up on a farm and hav e butchered stock, i go hunting and don't have any regrets, the thing that bothers me is Factory farming. in hunting and family farming, animals are treated humanely and thier death is swift. in factory farming the family suffers horrors i would wish on the worst people in the world

America greatly values independance as a society (i'm an anthropology student i spend lots of time studying this S***) and hunting is bar none of the truest expressions of idependance. :cool:
 
hey, hey, hey, calm down folks. I'm from the UK and damn proud of it. Please dont start with national stereotypes.
Okay, Britain does have very strict gun control laws. Yes, they are irrational. 20 years ago you could buy AK47s there. Michael Ryan changed all that. Its like having Columbine and then banning all the weapons they used. Yes, the arowhead hunting bolts are now illegal, as is virtually any form of weapon on the streets. Feel free to ask any UK related questions anytime.
Back to topic, kinda, I will probably never hunt. I can see how real hunting (a la "deer hunter" scenes) can be quite an experience. I cannot see how sitting next to a feeder is really hunting, but then I've never done it. I don't see the problem with hunting as long as the animal you shoot isn't wasted. It's much better than buying the crap they sell in some supermarkets (full of drugs, maybe BSE). I used to be vegetarian, but I figured the real problem is the factory farming that is so prevalent. If you have respect for nature, then i have respect for you.
 
Longpath
There are a hundred different ways to ask the question.
The way she chose to ask it and the subsequent comments she has made has made her position crystal clear to any who wish to read them..

It's the difference between
"Why did you vote for Bush"?
And
"Why would you vote against Kerry"?
One asks a reasonable question and the other makes it clear that I think you were wrong to do so
 
What's wrong with stereotypes?

If we didn't use them, how could you explain the ignorance most Americans have about the rest of the world?
I am a former Texan (never hunted deer there) and I recently took a little trip there just before deer season. During the long drive, I was stunned to look out and see hundreds of deer stand overlooking fields where automatic feeders spread out corn. That is NOT hunting, folks, no matter what you say!
 
Sounds like the ultimate in free range deer. Good food, no cage, and hopefully a humane death. Quality control, on the animal is completely in the end users control, if they want it.
 
Garthine, dont really have an answer to your sociallist question, i dont follow parliaments goings on that much.
here you arent allowed a fire arm unless you have a FAC (firearms certificate) not sure about crossbows, although i may get one ,one day in the future.

not sure what you mean by lil logic, all i can say is that when i put this thread up i didnt realize how busy it would be.
 
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