Who carries a "Mouse Gun" for CCW?
- Thread starter Rogervzv
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in the late 80s the Bersa 383A was termed a "rat gun" because it was too big to be called a mouse gun but not of a "serious" caliber either. I guess this would have included the walther pp/ppk series guns.Don't think even close. "Mouse gun" is more in the line of the Kel-Tec P32, P3at, Ruger LCP, Taurus Spectrum. Mostly 380 acp or 32 acp that will disappear in most any pocket.
Even Glock's entry, the G42 is too big to be a true "mouse gun".
Maybe wee need another term. Like "Hamster" gun. Same Idea as a mouse, but a bit bigger.
silvermane_1
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Even a justified shooting will have very serious consequences.
Cheapshooter
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Always thought a shortened up "compact" Tokarev, better yet M57, would be a really cool CCW gun. With the 7.62X25 round being a real zinger.
Given this endless argument, I would recommend looking at some of the articles available regarding stopping power and caliber. I would mainly recommend those citing actual data vs. opinions based on "common sense." One such would be an article by Greg Ellfritz:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
The main conclusion on caliber is that anything in the range of .380 - .45 is similarly effective to the point where the differences are negligible. Many other articles out there using differing methodology come to similar conclusions. Of course that doesn't settle the argument generated about whether the tiny difference is enough to stop a crazed 250 lb attacker flying on Angel Dust vs a crazed 210 lb attacker on meth.
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
The main conclusion on caliber is that anything in the range of .380 - .45 is similarly effective to the point where the differences are negligible. Many other articles out there using differing methodology come to similar conclusions. Of course that doesn't settle the argument generated about whether the tiny difference is enough to stop a crazed 250 lb attacker flying on Angel Dust vs a crazed 210 lb attacker on meth.
Based on one small look. It does not for example determine where the shot(s) struck or what type of ammunition was used. I say that is a flawed study.
In the end carry what makes you warm and fuzzy. I will continue to carry my 357 Sig and my magnum revolvers. Some will say anecdotes don't count but I am a believer.
Bill DeShivs
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Any gun is 100% better than no gun.
Any gun that can rapidly fire multiple rounds is much better.
The chance that you will have to use a gun for SD is remotely small. Often, the presentation of a gun will cease hostilities.
If one has to shoot, any hit will probably suffice to stop an attack. No one wants to get shot with anything. Only an idiot or crazy man wants to get shot twice.
Any hit will be painful. Pain and shock will stop most hostilities.
Of course, any CNS shot will stop hostilities immediately. Any other shot MAY not-regardless what caliber it is.
The ONLY sure, 100% stop from a handgun is the central nervous system shot. Barring that, you had better hope one of the above scenarios stops the attack- because blood loss takes MINUTES to take effect. Minutes are a very long time if someone is beating you with a pipe or shooting at you.
Of course larger calibers are more effective. HOW MUCH more effective, though? Enough to dress around 2 pounds of large gun-or would a 10 ounce gun in your pocket suffice?
Any gun that can rapidly fire multiple rounds is much better.
The chance that you will have to use a gun for SD is remotely small. Often, the presentation of a gun will cease hostilities.
If one has to shoot, any hit will probably suffice to stop an attack. No one wants to get shot with anything. Only an idiot or crazy man wants to get shot twice.
Any hit will be painful. Pain and shock will stop most hostilities.
Of course, any CNS shot will stop hostilities immediately. Any other shot MAY not-regardless what caliber it is.
The ONLY sure, 100% stop from a handgun is the central nervous system shot. Barring that, you had better hope one of the above scenarios stops the attack- because blood loss takes MINUTES to take effect. Minutes are a very long time if someone is beating you with a pipe or shooting at you.
Of course larger calibers are more effective. HOW MUCH more effective, though? Enough to dress around 2 pounds of large gun-or would a 10 ounce gun in your pocket suffice?
corneileous
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I wholeheartedly agree. I know it’s just a short-barreled 22 magnum revolver but I sure caught copious amounts of dung over on another forum I barely frequent anymore, for some days only deciding to pocket carry that little pistol. I realize it’s small and that even though the 2200fps vermin hollow-points I have loaded in it are probably nowhere near the advertised velocity that’s meant more for a rifle but still, I sure as heck-fire wouldn’t wanna get shot by it. Especially when the first day I got it, I was out playin’ around with it and put a bullet almost half way through a non-rotted 4x4 pressure treated wood post from about 10 feet. Sure seemed impressive to me.
I know there’s much better options to carry but don’t completely knock it cuz it’s small. Besides- I’m not going to be shooting at anybody that’s more than 5 feet away anyway, unless they’re already shooting at me or making me feel like they’re going to be.
I get it, something like that is probably better served as a back up pistol because it’s a single action only revolver that only holds five rounds and to reload it, you gotta pretty much completely take it apart but, even though it may not work in every self-defense situation, I would imagine that at least in some situations if somebody’s trying to hold you up or take your wallet and you pull that little guy out, they’re probably not gonna want any part of it.
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Great point Rogervzv.
The size of the gun may or may not matter to discourage an attack, but it probably does have significant positive attributes in an actual 'shoot in defence' situation, to wit: easier to shoot well, bigger controls, better sights etc. As stated in an earlier post, I usually dress around the gun, the P365 being the smallest one that I feel is good for day-in, day-out carry as a defensive piece. The mouse gun, a S&W Bodyguard 380, is only for the rare occasion when I can't carry something bigger.
We all live in different environments: farm, town, or city and individual/family needs differ widely. You must make your choices based on those needs. I'm satisfied with mine. YMMv Rod
Terminatorret
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aarondhgraham
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Define Mouse Gun please,,,
When I hear/read the term Mouse Gun,,,
I have always envisioned something in .22 LR or .25 ACP.
But in recent years the term Mouse gun is also being used,,,
To mean the small 380 pistols like the Ruger LCP.
In the winter I often carry a mouse gun in my jacket pocket,,,
It has a strong snap so I'm not afraid of dropping it by accident.
I like the fact that I can walk in parking lots with my hand on the gun,,,
I usually have my hands in my jacket pockets anyways as I hate wearing gloves.
My Mouse Gun is a Taurus 25-PLY,,,
This isn't my gun but it does show the ammo I use.
The little thing reliably spits 10 rounds,,,
As fast as I can pull the trigger.
Aarond
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When I hear/read the term Mouse Gun,,,
I have always envisioned something in .22 LR or .25 ACP.
But in recent years the term Mouse gun is also being used,,,
To mean the small 380 pistols like the Ruger LCP.
In the winter I often carry a mouse gun in my jacket pocket,,,
It has a strong snap so I'm not afraid of dropping it by accident.
I like the fact that I can walk in parking lots with my hand on the gun,,,
I usually have my hands in my jacket pockets anyways as I hate wearing gloves.
My Mouse Gun is a Taurus 25-PLY,,,
This isn't my gun but it does show the ammo I use.
The little thing reliably spits 10 rounds,,,
As fast as I can pull the trigger.
Aarond
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