Virginia’s ban troubles

I predict that once these new laws (which ever ones they are) are enacted, no one will openly defy them.
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I predict the same. Well actually I suspect there will be that one guy (probably a handful). But mass wholesale open defiance no. I don’t think there will be many AR15s turned in. I also don’t see aggressive LE pursuit of confiscation, to include state agents pursuing individuals only for violating that one law. It will be charged by some agencies if officers happen across it. 2A sanctuaries May not have any teeth to prevent state agencies from enforcing it, but it also may mean the local LEO officers will not themselves enforce that law. Outside of a speeding ticket issued by highway patrol, your average law abiding citizen rarely encounters a state LEO so this is still significant.

Even then, the 2A sanctuaries are really nothing more than a declaration. I don’t know that there would be teeth to prevent an individual officer from charging someone under the new law, even if it’s a declared policy that the agency doesn’t want to charge it. That officer may not last long there, but I don’t know that he could be openly prevented from enforcing a state law.
 
5whiskey said:
I predict the same. Well actually I suspect there will be that one guy (probably a handful). But mass wholesale open defiance no. I don’t think there will be many AR15s turned in. I also don’t see aggressive LE pursuit of confiscation, to include state agents pursuing individuals only for violating that one law. It will be charged by some agencies if officers happen across it. 2A sanctuaries May not have any teeth to prevent state agencies from enforcing it, but it also may mean the local LEO officers will not themselves enforce that law. Outside of a speeding ticket issued by highway patrol, your average law abiding citizen rarely encounters a state LEO so this is still significant.

Even then, the 2A sanctuaries are really nothing more than a declaration. I don’t know that there would be teeth to prevent an individual officer from charging someone under the new law, even if it’s a declared policy that the agency doesn’t want to charge it. That officer may not last long there, but I don’t know that he could be openly prevented from enforcing a state law.
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if anyone uses a banned item in self defense or is caught using it recreationally, they will be made an example of, simple as that. this will ensure that those with banned items are rendered useless, so its just as well.

some think that county sheriff's can persuade some politicians to side with the constitution, while politicians can't even agree on the impeachment fiasco.
 
if anyone uses a banned item in self defense or is caught using it recreationally, they will be made an example of
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This will be the most likely approach. They'll bust a few isolated individuals, make an "example" of them, and hope it will have a chilling effect on the rest.
 
Wandering around the web, I have seen the Oath Keepers have gone to Va and are recruiting political as well as tactical instructors.

There is also a lot of DISINFORMATION fanning the fires, on both sides. I received a message from a relative to forward it out. Once I looked at it, I realized someone had put together pictures from totally unrelated events to look like there was military being geared up in Va. to be used against the 2nd amendment supporters there.
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Lies, conspiracy theories and misinformation about Democrats’ proposed gun control bills have circulated widely, prompting outrage and threats of violence against Democratic politicians.

Lee Carter, Virginia’s only socialist state legislator, has been the target of multiple death threats over a bill pro-gun activists misinterpreted as an infringement on their rights.

Speaking to the Guardian about the threats, Carter said there had been frequent mentions of Monday’s pro-gun protest. “A lot of people [have been] saying, ‘We’re going to kick off the second American civil war,” he said. “This guy is going to be the first one to die. Make sure you show up armed.”
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Gonna be 'interesting'..this demonstration today.
 
Great job to everyone who went to the rally and kept clear heads. The whole thing was free of incident, something that seems to cause both CNN and the Washington Post to be dismayed.

Did it have any real political effect? Probably not. Did it show gun owners and RKBA activists in a positive light? Absolutely.
 
Did it have any real political effect? Probably not.
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I think it showed gun owners in a very positive light.

You want "political effect?" That takes $$$$.

Speaking of $$$$, was there any sign of the NRA there?
 
Carmady said:
I think it showed gun owners in a very positive light.

You want "political effect?" That takes $$$$.

Speaking of $$$$, was there any sign of the NRA there?
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I wasn't there BUT....
I agree..not sure what being all 'tacticool', complete with tree suits, helmets and NVG setups was supposed to mean tho..I think the people wearing 'normal' clothes with an AR or something on their shoulder..making sane statements about the 2nd amendment paid great dividends.
I worried about it becoming a Kent State..with the exception of both sides being armed..it wasn't..AND, anybody who went 'inside the fence', onto capital property, nobody made a stink about not being armed..by shooting somebody..

As for the NRA..nothing on their webiste I could find about VA, lots about New Hampshire......
I suspect those who were dressed that way may have done so to act as a visible deterrent to any armed radical group/s who were planning on making major disturbance out of the whole thing.
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Not sure as I don't think you could tell them apart. I suspect they were trying to make some point, like the guy in tactical grub and AR walking around a park...

Want to rile up the 'other side'? Dress like militia, complete with camo face paint, helmets, NVG stuff and 200 rounds of ammo in yer tacticool vest...be sure to yell at the camera's.

Want to sway the undecided 'middle'? Dress normally, carry that whatever over your shoulder, speak rationally and perhaps have 'middle america' identify with you.
 
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I wasn't there BUT....
I agree..not sure what being all 'tacticool', complete with tree suits, helmets and NVG setups was supposed to mean tho..I think the people wearing 'normal' clothes with an AR or something on their shoulder..making sane statements about the 2nd amendment paid great dividends.
I worried about it becoming a Kent State..with the exception of both sides being armed..it wasn't..AND, anybody who went 'inside the fence', onto capital property, nobody made a stink about not being armed..by shooting somebody..

As for the NRA..nothing on their webiste I could find about VA, lots about New Hampshire......
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I didn't know what to make of the tacticool stuff either yesterday, but now in retrospect I suspect those who were dressed that way may have done so to act as a visible deterrent to any armed radical group/s who were planning on making major disturbance out of the whole thing. Fortunately everything went much smoother than expected.

And the pro-gun crowd left the place looking clean and untouched.

Imo, if there was one time and one place that the NRA was really "needed" in the last 50 years it was yesterday in Richmond. But they were nowhere to be found, and We The People did just fine without them. I don't know what they would have done if they were there...probably just bum money as always. I'm glad they didn't show up. The NRA useta be a good organization, but ol' man useta's dead.
 
imho --- I am thoroughly disgusted at the organizers of the pro-2nd Amendment rally in Richmond yesterday...because they staged the rally on MLK day.

Also...I believe that the majority of long gun bearers at the rally yesterday, put on a way too much aggressive posture, by carrying their rifles in a low ready position.
 
imho --- I am thoroughly disgusted at the organizers of the pro-2nd Amendment rally in Richmond yesterday...because they staged the rally on MLK day.
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A federal holiday associated with civil rights seems the ideal day for such an event.
 
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A federal holiday associated with civil rights seems the ideal day for such an event.
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If so...why didn't the NRA attend?

Alex Jones of InfoWars --- expressing his gobbledygook, while standing and blasting his garbage through his megaphone on the back of his black pickup truck during the rally --- didn't help much for our gun rights either.
 
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Why would the NRA mishandle anything?

If MLK applied for a carry permit in 1956 and was denied, an MLK day protest against infringement of the right seems appropriate.

Quite a few people showed, and by all reports they behaved well and avoided violence, perhaps to the consternation of those looking for a public relations disaster. I'd call that a successful protest.
 
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I thought guys walking around with plate carriers stuffed with magazines and helmets/gloves.....I mean its their right to do that, I'm not sure the optics are very helpful to our cause.

And the guy walking around with the Barrett 50....I would't have done that.

I did rather enjoy seeing people of different races banding together, though. That didn't get covered nearly enough in mainstream media.
 
Apparently, not many here have seen an antifa riot up close. I’ll take the tacticool people any day even as silly as it is.

I hate the image of the tacticool crowd, but hey it’s their right to express themselves.

Freedom means that some people are going to do something that you don’t like.

Antifa can bring a small city’s administration to its knees with antifa tactics. Turns out, protests are a constitutional right. Antifa rallies almost always descends into riot. Some times you need some ridiculous tactics and dress to make change.
I’ll never go out in public looking like an out of work mercenary, but it’s not my place to approve or disapprove.
 
zukiphile said:
Why would the NRA mishandle anything?

If MLK applied for a carry permit in 1956 and was denied, an MLK day protest against infringement of the right seems appropriate.

Quite a few people showed, and by all reports they behaved well and avoided violence, perhaps to the consternation of those looking for a public relations disaster. I'd call that a successful protest.
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"After Martin Luther King Jr's home was firebombed in 1956, he applied for a concealed carry permit for his self-defense in the state of Alabama. In those days, local police had the right to determine who could and couldn't get a license. King's application was denied, despite the fact that his life was routinely, and that he wound up getting assassinated."

"Fear of blackness was behind then-California Gov. Ronald Reagan's decision in 1967 to sign a law that made it illegal to openly carry firearms in the state. Just before the law's passage, a group of Black Panthers openly carried their guns into the state Capitol building. The law had full backing of the NRA."

Source:

http://www.splinternews.com/the-second-amendment-was-never-meant-for-black-people-1793860071
 
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