Virginia’s ban troubles

"Boogaloo" talk and the like on Reddit, Facebook, etc., does not paint a pretty picture to those that we would aim to sway to our side of the debate.
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The problem is, it's indicative of how the newest couple of generations think and act. They don't vote because none of the candidates are perfect. They don't support the NRA because they haven't gotten the NFA repealed. They don't contact their elected officials because they think it's a better use of their time to post gripes and childish memes on social media.

(On the rare occasions they DO get in touch with legislators, it's a bundle of confrontational recycled slogans and vague threats.)

The gun subs on Reddit are a particularly distressing window into this. They treat armed insurrection as something to be encouraged but have no inkling of what a truly horrific thing that would be. I am VERY worried about these rallies in Virginia. It just takes one guy to have an ND or pick a fight with the police, and things will get ugly for all of us.

If this is what we can expect going forward, I worry that I'll live to see the end of the RKBA in this country.
 
One way to reference all of the fallout in VA is a result of the promised and impending siege of the people by the Northam aggression.

Shamelessly ripped from some soul I do not know on twitter. Filthy place to observe the barbarians at our gate.
 
Tom Servo said:
I am VERY worried about these rallies in Virginia. It just takes one guy to have an ND or pick a fight with the police, and things will get ugly for all of us.

If this is what we can expect going forward, I worry that I'll live to see the end of the RKBA in this country.
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I'd rather see the anti-gun forces try and take away all our 2nd Amendment rights in one fell swoop than in an agonizing, incremental death. If the 2nd Amendment effectively dies in either case, I will take care of my responsibilities in this country and then renounce my U.S. Citzenship in another.
 
I'd rather see the anti-gun forces try and take away all our 2nd Amendment rights in one fell swoop than in an agonizing, incremental death.
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They know better. This goes back to the late 1970s, when Pete Shields (founder of HCI) published their strategy of incrementalism. Things like Sandy Hook just helped accelerate the timetable. They've honed their messaging, built coalitions, and raised money.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of gun owners sit on the couch and complain when someone else didn't stop it from happening. Heck, most don't even vote. They can do all the rallies they want; Virginia is a lost cause.
 
Tom Servo said:
The problem is, it's indicative of how the newest couple of generations think and act. They don't vote because none of the candidates are perfect. They don't support the NRA because they haven't gotten the NFA repealed. They don't contact their elected officials because they think it's a better use of their time to post gripes and childish memes on social media.

(On the rare occasions they DO get in touch with legislators, it's a bundle of confrontational recycled slogans and vague threats.)

The gun subs on Reddit are a particularly distressing window into this. They treat armed insurrection as something to be encouraged but have no inkling of what a truly horrific thing that would be. I am VERY worried about these rallies in Virginia. It just takes one guy to have an ND or pick a fight with the police, and things will get ugly for all of us.

If this is what we can expect going forward, I worry that I'll live to see the end of the RKBA in this country.
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I agree..it's like one guy making a RKBA 'point' by strolling around a park with a loaded AR, times a Bazillion..This 'may' get ugly and if it does, it will not help the RKBA side.
 
They can do all the rallies they want; Virginia is a lost cause.
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My fear is that when Virginia is lost, the remaining 49 will quickly follow. In less than one generation, the Second Amendment will be nothing but a memory to us old farts.

The generation starting 2020 should be called "Generation G". G for guns. That generation will see the loss of guns for citizens.
 
My fear is that when Virginia is lost, the remaining 49 will quickly follow
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California is no doubt watching carefully.

I agree that weekend commandos strolling around with their ARs gives a bad image. The media will focus on the worst of them....obese, paranoid...perhaps even mentally challenged.

The irony here is that the medias are reporting of the potential dangers of this rally, completely ignoring the fact that the governor of Virginia is himself responsible of creating the circumstances of the situation with his insane laws.

Does Virginia not have a recall option?
 
The irony here is that the medias...
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Another irony is that St. John's Episcopal Church is just a few blocks away, and that's where Patrick Henry said, "give me liberty, or give me death."
 
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They can do all the rallies they want; Virginia is a lost cause.
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I think you are wrong. Lord I hope you are wrong.

One fluke off year election where the Anti gun party achieved a razor thin majority because the opposing party didn’t field candidates in several critical races does not make a state a lost cause. I remember when Obama won in 2008 and every major news organization was harping on how the Republican Party had been banished into the wilderness. Well, they didn’t stay there very long as they easily retook congress in 2010.

I get it, VA is not the reliably conservative southern state it once was. The northern third of the state is pretty much a suburb to DC, and transplants have shifted the populace some. But it hasn’t changed that radically, as judged by over 90% of the counties passing 2A sanctuary resolutions. No I see a very galvanized opposition for any democrat running for any public office South of Alexandria for a long time to come. Laws may be passed in the meantime. Laws that stand at least a moderate chance of being repealed next election cycle. Being the party in power usually doesn’t last long unless you are in a very reliable state such as California for Dems or South Carolina for Republicans. Outside of some extremely reliable states, everything in the middle usually swings like a pendulum pretty reliably. This is how political history has been pretty much since the end of WW2.

Of course I could be wrong. But I hope not. And I absolutely agree on the insurrection crap. While I think there is a time and place for armed resistance against a government, we aren’t there yet. Any talk of such is... not appropriate now.
 
5whiskey said:
I think you are wrong. Lord I hope you are wrong.

One fluke off year election where the Anti gun party achieved a razor thin majority because the opposing party didn’t field candidates in several critical races does not make a state a lost cause.
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it certainly seems that one "off year" election is all it takes to lose rights to the government.
 
The problem is that it can be MUCH more difficult to get an existing law repealed than it would have been to stop it from being enacted. Legislators don't score PR points with their constituents for deleting old laws, they score points by enacting new laws. Guess where their attention goes.
 
5whiskey said:
I think you are wrong. Lord I hope you are wrong.

One fluke off year election where the Anti gun party achieved a razor thin majority because the opposing party didn’t field candidates in several critical races does not make a state a lost cause. I remember when Obama won in 2008 and every major news organization was harping on how the Republican Party had been banished into the wilderness. Well, they didn’t stay there very long as they easily retook congress in 2010.

I get it, VA is not the reliably conservative southern state it once was. The northern third of the state is pretty much a suburb to DC, and transplants have shifted the populace some. But it hasn’t changed that radically, as judged by over 90% of the counties passing 2A sanctuary resolutions. No I see a very galvanized opposition for any democrat running for any public office South of Alexandria for a long time to come. Laws may be passed in the meantime. Laws that stand at least a moderate chance of being repealed next election cycle. Being the party in power usually doesn’t last long unless you are in a very reliable state such as California for Dems or South Carolina for Republicans. Outside of some extremely reliable states, everything in the middle usually swings like a pendulum pretty reliably. This is how political history has been pretty much since the end of WW2.

Of course I could be wrong. But I hope not. And I absolutely agree on the insurrection crap. While I think there is a time and place for armed resistance against a government, we aren’t there yet. Any talk of such is... not appropriate now.
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first, the sanctuary counties are toothless. if anyone openly defies the new anti 2nd Amendment laws they will be Ruby Ridged by the state police while the sanctuary sheriff's department looks on.

second, once a law is passed (by the state government) its almost never repealed by the same body (state government) that enacted it.

third, the founding fathers took up arms against a foreign government occupying their homeland, not one they voted in themselves.
 
JERRYS. said:
first, the sanctuary counties are toothless. if anyone openly defies the new anti 2nd Amendment laws they will be Ruby Ridged by the state police while the sanctuary sheriff's department looks on.

second, once a law is passed (by the state government) its almost never repealed by the same body (state government) that enacted it.

third, the founding fathers took up arms against a foreign government occupying their homeland, not one they voted in themselves.
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You've suggested whoever defies this will be Ruby Ridged more than once. Do you know what Ruby Ridge is to the feds? Well, it happens to be, till this day, their worst nightmare.

I don't think that people are quaking in their boots afraid of what might happen. Do you think the criminal element in the crime ridden urban areas where drugs and gang violence are at the highest levels, are afraid of LE? You think the criminal element in all 50 states is worried about getting Ruby Ridged? How many Ruby Ridges do you think Northam can handle? If I was LE, I would be more worried than anyone. I'd be more worried that if something does happen, that what used to be reasonable law abiding citizens might become pissed off enraged citizens.

Northam is going to get exactly what he wants by pushing his agenda. I see the democrats losing this in the end. LE can barely contain the 10% of civilians that are responsible for 90% of the crime. And now Northam, out of nowhere, is going to start a different war on law abiding citizens and he thinks this is a great idea? Sooner or later they are going to push the wrong person or family... and if they intentionally provoke it, they definitely will.

I see some LE think the citizens are just talking tough and will crumble in the end. But I see LE talking tough, not knowing what they are about to get into... or more like what their politicians just got them into.
 
American Man said:
You've suggested whoever defies this will be Ruby Ridged more than once. Do you know what Ruby Ridge is to the feds? Well, it happens to be, till this day, their worst nightmare.

I don't think that people are quaking in their boots afraid of what might happen. Do you think the criminal element in the crime ridden urban areas where drugs and gang violence are at the highest levels, are afraid of LE? You think the criminal element in all 50 states is worried about getting Ruby Ridged? How many Ruby Ridges do you think Northam can handle? If I was LE, I would be more worried than anyone. I'd be more worried that if something does happen, that what used to be reasonable law abiding citizens might become pissed off enraged citizens.

Northam is going to get exactly what he wants by pushing his agenda. I see the democrats losing this in the end. LE can barely contain the 10% of civilians that are responsible for 90% of the crime. And now Northam, out of nowhere, is going to start a different war on law abiding citizens and he thinks this is a great idea? Sooner or later they are going to push the wrong person or family... and if they intentionally provoke it, they definitely will.

I see some LE think the citizens are just talking tough and will crumble in the end. But I see LE talking tough, not knowing what they are about to get into... or more like what their politicians just got them into.
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Ruby Ridge (Idaho) was the federal government going in to get [arrest warrant service] a man that they said defied federal gun laws, and killed much of his family in the preceding resistance. anyone who openly defies the new anti 2nd amendment laws soon to be passed in Virginia will be "Ruby Ridged" but from the state level, unless they capitulate. people in other states already know this, that's why no one is openly defying them.
 
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JERRYS. said:
Ruby Ridge (Idaho) was the federal government going in to get [arrest warrant service] a man that they said defied federal gun laws, and killed much of his family in the preceding resistance. anyone who openly defies the new anti 2nd amendment laws soon to be passed in Virginia will be "Ruby Ridged" but from the state level, unless they capitulate. people in other states already know this, that's why no one is openly defying them.
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I know what Ruby Ridge was. The point I was making is that you are throwing around the "Ruby Ridged" in some cavalier manner. I don't think you understand that Ruby Ridges will not be as tolerated as you think they will be. I have seen what happens when the people who think they are the good guys, piss off the people they are supposed to be protecting. Some sheriff's are trying to talk some sense to the lawmakers right now. They might want to heed their advice.

This isn't upstate NY where gun control has been part of their rural culture for decades. VA is about as free as any pro gun state has been for longer than a few decades. Northam and his majority in the legislature, even though elected, are not going to pound the rest of the state into submission overnight or at all in the long run. I don't see this gun control fantasy ending the way they think it is going to end.

Ruby Ridge only happened because the Feds pushed it. They pushed and pushed and they regret Ruby Ridge to this day. They know what they did wrong and wished they could have a do over. State level LE pushing something like this, it is going to piss off people in a way they have not yet been pissed off. And I'm not going to say I hope I'm wrong... I know I am right.
 
This is my lawyer disclaimer, I live in Oh, I have no affiliation with any group, I am not advocating anything. I do not want anything I have to say misconstrued as a threat, etc.

With that said.

I do a lot of reading to keep an eye on the political situation. There is a lot of anger seething in this country. A lot.

I saw a video the other day where an ultimatum was issued to the governor of Va. (I will not go back and find it).

I am afraid that if one person gets "Ruby Ridged", and it is not done in secret, it will be game on because everyone else then knows they could be the next one.

All you have to do is read the comments on news blurbs. Over the last couple years, the comments have changed from euphemisms to out and out language. Even on the Corvette forum I belong to, the language has changed to strong and harsh.

Wandering around the web, I have seen the Oath Keepers have gone to Va and are recruiting political as well as tactical instructors.

There is also a lot of DISINFORMATION fanning the fires, on both sides. I received a message from a relative to forward it out. Once I looked at it, I realized someone had put together pictures from totally unrelated events to look like there was military being geared up in Va. to be used against the 2nd amendment supporters there.

It is not good, and unfortunately one side keeps pushing pushing pushing.

I also read a very good editorial that surmised that there is someone (plural) else behind the Democrat party, that they are being used to try and forment a civil war in this country. We all do know (just look at campaign finance disclosures) that Bloomberg dumped a lot of money into Va and the politicians there are now owned.
 
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I think China is behind all of this.

All this 2A and gun-grabbing Democrrats stuff is just a distraction.

Much of everything we buy is made in China, so they have the money. It'll take a lot of money to take on the US, so that eliminates most countries/organizations.

They chose Va because Va is about the safest bet for civil retaliation. The citizens will think they're fighting for their 2A rights (which they would be) while playing into the Red Dragon's hand by starting a civil war.

That way China doesn't have to go to war with the US (yet). They'll sit back and the let US fight itself, and wait for the right time to pick up the pieces.

General LeMay was right.

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Just one more thing...
Anyone else notice that the NRA has been keeping a low profile recently? Wouldn't the NRA that we all know and love be on the front line fighting for our Constitutional rights?
Where has the NRA been?
They've been taking Chinese payola to the bank.
 
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The end result of increasing the military budget year after year and then allowing the people in charge of money to pay their buddies who own all of the big consulting firms making northern virginia a metropolis. I've never met so many millionaires paid with tax dollars then when I was a military contractor in DC.
 
I predict that once these new laws (which ever ones they are) are enacted, no one will openly defy them. the reason they capitulate will be left to anyone's guess.
 
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