Virginia’s ban troubles

FITASC said:
Where was the NRA? This is on their backyard
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don't blame a national group for the failing of a state group. democrats have taken the majority in the state house, the state senate, and now the governorship. that is not the NRA's fault.
 
pturner67 said:
I'm curious what Northern VA and DC are going to do when lots of government and government contractors (like me) who have Secret and Top Secret clearances are labeled felons because they won't give up their scary weapons. As a felon, your clearance is sure to be taken away. And, so will the ability to do your job on the classified contracts. I don't think the new brilliant Virginia leadership has thought about this issue. They thought it was tough before to get cleared workers. This will be a disaster. It seems half the DC/NoVA population has a security clearance.

jrinne, take that info to the legislative session. And also let them know that Connolly stated that "the law is the law" and that police have a duty to enforce whatever law is there. I choose to understand that he MUST be talking about enforcing immigration law. Right? ;)
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you will be fired and replaced or you will comply with the new laws. simple. don't kid yourself into thinking you're not replaceable in the establishment's eyes.
 
FITASC said:
Where was the NRA? This is on their backyard
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The NRA is here in Virginia in the bluest of the blue part of the state only because it is near DC. I have lived in Virginia all of my 72 years, have been a NRA member for years and the NRA might as well be in California for all of they good they have done for us.
They claim to be in Virginia but it might as well be a mail drop for the good it does us.
 
VA now has 114 sanctuary counties and cities! Excellent work for just over a month! Although much attention has been drawn to Christmas, next month things are goin to pick up especially when the legislative session meets again...let's remain focused. Don't forget about the big rally in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020. There maybe some seats left on some buses if you wish to use them. I know a few are sold out. See VCDL.ORG for details.
 
Tom Servo said:
That's all well and good, but these resolutions are toothless at best and dangerous at worst. If it comes to a clash between state and county officials, are these sheriffs really going to back their statements with force? What then?
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I thought sanctuary counties, cities, etc. were areas that law enforcement merely wouldn't enforce certain law(s). That is completely different than law enforcement of those areas using force to defend citizens breaking those laws.
 
In case you haven't noticed the Democrat party plays hardball. The GOP just sits on their hands. We have Trump as president but the Republican Party is a mess, full of do nothings(or worse) Rinos. Virginia should be a lesson for the rest of us. This can happen in your state! If you think otherwise, shame on you.
 
According to the NRA, Virginia Senate Judiciary Committee passed the below. Contact your state senator and tell them to oppose this!

Senate Bill 35 will destroy Virginia’s firearm preemption laws by allowing localities to create new “gun free zones” in and around public buildings and parks. Criminals will ignore these restrictions, leaving law-abiding citizens unable to defend themselves and their loved ones.

Senate Bill 69, commonly referred to as “one-gun-a-month,” would impose an arbitrary one gun limit on an individual’s right to lawfully purchase a handgun within 30 days.

Senate Bill 70 would ban many sales and transfers between private individuals without first paying fees and obtaining government permission. Firearm sales between friends, neighbors, or fellow hunters, would not be exempted. Transfers between family members are also likely to be banned based on the vague wording of the proposed legislation. This proposal would have no impact on crime and is completely unenforceable.

Senate Bill 240 looks to create so-called “Red Flag” gun confiscation orders. This bill will take your constitutionally-guaranteed rights and throw them out the window with insufficient due process in place.

This is only the beginning of our fight to protect the Second Amendment in Richmond, so it is critical for NRA Members and Second Amendment supporters to remain active and vigilant this entire session. These ill-conceived bills could receive a vote on the Senate Floor very soon and with no warning! Please contact your State Senator to OPPOSE Senate Bill 35, Senate Bill 69, Senate Bill 70, and Senate Bill 240. Standing together, we can turn the tide against the new anti-gun majority, but our resolve cannot waiver.
 
if the republicans in the senate stay on the constitutional side, how many democrats in the senate need to do the same to prevent these anti 2nd amendment bills from passing?
 
Gov. Northam looks like he is trying to create a scenario that will produce violence with the latest pro-2A rally. He’s actively trying to provoke/troll 2A supporters now.
 
We (i.e. 'the gun community') have done a great job maintaining a threatening tone on social media. "Boogaloo" talk and the like on Reddit, Facebook, etc., does not paint a pretty picture to those that we would aim to sway to our side of the debate. To me, the governor's response with a state of emergency declaration is a proper, measured response in that light, which plays to their favor immensely. He could find at this moment, hundreds if not thousands of examples online of what they can define as 'threatening' material.

We share this stuff all over the webs in jest, or in some cases with the upmost sincerity. But the audience is broad and we're not choosing our words carefully, especially for those that are on the fence.
 
JERRYS. asked:
If the republicans in the senate stay on the constitutional side, how many democrats in the senate need to do the same to prevent these anti 2nd amendment bills from passing?
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My count is 40 Virginia State Senators; 21 Democrats and 19 Republicans.
 
Tom Servo said:
Actually, Northam is declaring a state of emergency before the protests even happen. Something about that strikes me as very sinister.
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If the protest rally is peaceable, then the governor can claim that his declaration of a state of emergency was the reason that nothing bad happened. He can still claim that the participants are a danger, and can claim that they are linked to subversive groups. It's a way to control the public perception of the protest participants and put them in a bad light.
 
I can sort of understand why they fear violence from gun owners.
Every news forum is full of right wingers threatening civil war.
 
"I can sort of understand why they fear violence from gun owners."

Yeah, and then have every one of them 'red flagged' for participating in a threatening manner. Let the confiscation begin! It won't be pretty.
 
I somewhat agree with rickyrick and Marka. While I think the boogaloo memes have been hot air and jest, intellectual honesty says you shouldn’t get mad when something you say “in jest,” but is not clearly denoted as such, is used against you at a later time. Yes, some of that talk hasn’t helped.

The gun grabbers are far overplaying their hand I think. Elections do have consequences... but so do ramming radical agendas through with a razor thin majority days after being sworn in. The Democratic Party learned that in the 2010 midterms, and the agenda pushed in the first 2 years of the Obama presidency wasn’t even that radical (outside of the ACA, and I still don’t call that “radical” just not broadly supported by the public).
 
with very few exceptions, once an anti 2nd amendment law is on the books is almost never removed. the federal "awb" was removed only because it had a self imposed sunset date. otherwise we'd still have it. good luck Virginia.
 
I disagree with what MarkA and rickyrick have said. I mean, is that the ideal world I’d like to live in? Sure. Is that an approach that is going to get us results? Well, we’ve got 20 years of history to look at. Has it worked yet?

If I get a democratically approved 51% vote to violate your wife, is the proper response to file suit and allow me to violate your wife until 10 years in the future when the Court MAY decide that’s an unconstitutional law?

The state of Virginia is talking about taking lawfully owned property from peaceable citizens because of things they might hypothetically do, despite decades of evidence to the contrary in some cases. That doesn’t deserve a TFL-approved response in my view. We’re now just left debating whether the TFL-sanctioned view is the practical response, violations aside.

This isn’t going to be solved by the legal system. It is going to be solved by citizens standing up for what they believe in. The citizens of Virginia are well within their rights to resort to civil disobedience to protest unjust laws. The problem is, with the 2A being the right at stake, it is very easy for that to blow up in your face and set your cause back - false flag, random idiots, etc.

On a related note: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...violence-to-disrupt-smear-gun-control-protest

To further extrapolate, here is a leftist group with a confirmed history of violence who is going to be marching in support of the 2A:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/16/antifa-group-march-pro-gun-protesters-virginia/
 
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