TSA: "You have your law, I have mine."
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-Morgan
I recently rode Greyhound from Denver to Phoenix, via Albuquerque, NM. It involved two buses, on originating in Denver and ending in Albuquerque, the other from Albuquerque to Phoenix. At the stop in Albuquerque all passengers and their belongings were searched by the local PD. There was no metal detector there, so they used the hand wand, and there was no X-ray machine, so they had to hand search bags. This despite the absurdity of searching a bus that has multiple stops along the way.
-Morgan
MTMilitiaman
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Sterile area? That must be that area with the showers...and the gas...
~Benjamin Franklin
snacktrack
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I was watching a special on Court TV a few weeks ago about the so-called "War on Drugs" and all that there is wrong with it. They had this older black woman on there who gave a testimonial about being searched at the airport for drugs, and them taking her in a room and made her strip search...THENNN...they did a BODY CAVITY SEARCH! Just cause they thought there was a bag of uncontrolled substance up there. When they found nothing on her, ok welll...you are free to go. No apology, nothing. The craziest thing about this, is that it happens to her AGAIN. They randomly picked her out, pulled her aside, did a strip search and body cavity search. The whole time she is crying her eyes out. CAN YOU IMAGINE????
She is suing the airline, or whoever is in charge and I hope she gets millions. That is the same as being raped IMO. That makes me sooooo furious to hear that woman's story. I am thinking to myself, they cant do that, can they??? Can they?? Thats insane. The security says that black women are often used as "mules" and thats why they often pick them out of the line.
When is violating a human being personal body cavitites by strangers with rubber gloves in a public building while you are traveling EVER worth the confiscation of a few ounces of illegal drugs??? Never in my opinion.
She is suing the airline, or whoever is in charge and I hope she gets millions. That is the same as being raped IMO. That makes me sooooo furious to hear that woman's story. I am thinking to myself, they cant do that, can they??? Can they?? Thats insane. The security says that black women are often used as "mules" and thats why they often pick them out of the line.
When is violating a human being personal body cavitites by strangers with rubber gloves in a public building while you are traveling EVER worth the confiscation of a few ounces of illegal drugs??? Never in my opinion.
Would you guys shop at Walmart if they randomly picked people for invasive searches? Probably not. You have a choice to go somewhere else and most likely would. Or would you keep shopping there just so that you can save time?
So why in the hell do you continue flying? If it bugs you so much, then change jobs to avoid long trips and visit family during long vacations. Is your dignity so easy to overlook just so that you can save a bit of time?
Why support the airline industry with your money if they are going to allow such things? It's not 100% necessary to fly. If everyone that had a bad experience with the TSA stopped flying, then maybe something would be done about them.
I go everywhere by car. I can stop when I want, leave when I want, and take responsibility for my safety. Plus I save a ton of money and get to see this great country up close.
So why in the hell do you continue flying? If it bugs you so much, then change jobs to avoid long trips and visit family during long vacations. Is your dignity so easy to overlook just so that you can save a bit of time?
Why support the airline industry with your money if they are going to allow such things? It's not 100% necessary to fly. If everyone that had a bad experience with the TSA stopped flying, then maybe something would be done about them.
I go everywhere by car. I can stop when I want, leave when I want, and take responsibility for my safety. Plus I save a ton of money and get to see this great country up close.
Hmmm... Greyhound for the rest of my life, eh? You know what, Skippy? I think that's a splendid idea. I am absolutely sick and freakin' tired of paying through the nose for the dubious privilege of being treated like cattle by you and your little pack of cut-rate Napoleons. I'm not setting foot in an airport again without a gun to my head. I hope you and your families freeze in the dark, Ace.
"No sir. Postal employees, while often ponderously slow and tediously officious, are actually delivering a desired service, albeit inefficiently, in exchange for valuta received. You, on the other hand, are merely wasting space and oxygen. What I am hiding is my utter contempt for you and the bleating, sniveling society of grass-eaters that you represent."
"But it could save lives!"
I. Don't. Care. And neither should you. How many lives saved is your dignity worth? How many lives are a fair trade for your Principles? Your rights? A million? A thousand? One? Half of one?
What are your Principles worth?
How much can I get for a dollar, honey?
Vicious slander!
"Postal employees, while often ponderously slow and tediously officious, are actually delivering a desired service, albeit inefficiently, in exchange for valuta [sic] received."
It has been my experience, including monitoring of postal service performance, that the US Postal Service gives excellent service and provides very good value for the pittance a stamp costs.
As for TSA, it goes next to BATFE as an agency this country does not need and should not have. :barf:
"Postal employees, while often ponderously slow and tediously officious, are actually delivering a desired service, albeit inefficiently, in exchange for valuta [sic] received."
It has been my experience, including monitoring of postal service performance, that the US Postal Service gives excellent service and provides very good value for the pittance a stamp costs.
As for TSA, it goes next to BATFE as an agency this country does not need and should not have. :barf:
Al Thompson
Staff Alumnus
Interestingly enough, three friends of mine joined the TSA when it first opened up. None are now employed there - all quit as the "Nazi prison guard" mentality grew and grew.
It's going to get worse - not better.
It's going to get worse - not better.
And your point?
"Valuta:
Der Begriff Valuta bezeichnet im internationalen Geldhandel das Währungsgeld (gesetzliches Zahlungsmittel) eines Landes."
Now let's examine the original sentence:
"Postal employees, while often ponderously slow and tediously officious, are actually delivering a desired service, albeit inefficiently, in exchange for valuta received."
The context strongly suggests that the word was meant to be value , not "valuta."
Although the use of German in a thread dealing with the TSA in not entirely inapposite.
"Valuta:
Der Begriff Valuta bezeichnet im internationalen Geldhandel das Währungsgeld (gesetzliches Zahlungsmittel) eines Landes."
Now let's examine the original sentence:
"Postal employees, while often ponderously slow and tediously officious, are actually delivering a desired service, albeit inefficiently, in exchange for valuta received."
The context strongly suggests that the word was meant to be value , not "valuta."
Although the use of German in a thread dealing with the TSA in not entirely inapposite.
Double Naught Spy
New member
Let's see, flying isn't a right, but a priveledge and a highly regulated one at that. If Otteson doesn't want to play by the rules, he can drive or walk.
I just love the stupid outrage people mention about being treated like criminals. Apparently Otteson and others don't realize that the procedures are across the board. I have been detained and pat down during a traffic stop, but wasn't a criminal and didn't feel like I was treated like a criminal. The officer had a job to do, period. He was just verifying that I wasn't the potentially dangerous person for whom they were looking.
Tamara realizes it is a priveledge and doesn't like the idea of paying to receive that sort of treatment. Very good. With that I agree. As for the convenience of flying versus indignity, I would guess most folks would prefer the indignity to crashing into the Trade Center.
Touchy touchy touchy. If you want to fly but don't want all the indignity of being treated like cattle, save your $$ and get your own plane.
I just love the stupid outrage people mention about being treated like criminals. Apparently Otteson and others don't realize that the procedures are across the board. I have been detained and pat down during a traffic stop, but wasn't a criminal and didn't feel like I was treated like a criminal. The officer had a job to do, period. He was just verifying that I wasn't the potentially dangerous person for whom they were looking.
Tamara realizes it is a priveledge and doesn't like the idea of paying to receive that sort of treatment. Very good. With that I agree. As for the convenience of flying versus indignity, I would guess most folks would prefer the indignity to crashing into the Trade Center.
Touchy touchy touchy. If you want to fly but don't want all the indignity of being treated like cattle, save your $$ and get your own plane.
Main Entry: va·lu·ta
Pronunciation: v&-'lü-t&, -(")tä
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian, value, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin valuta
1 : the agreed upon or exchange value of a currency
2 : FOREIGN EXCHANGE 2
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Walk, eh? Some choice.
What if I wanted to start an all-smoking, all-armed, no-search airline? My flight attendants would hand out complimentary frangible ammo in various calibers to everyone boarding, and the safety instruction card would provide information on airline cabin tactics along with proper use of oxygen masks.
What's that you say? The Feds won't allow it?
What do you really mean by "choice?"
Pronunciation: v&-'lü-t&, -(")tä
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian, value, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin valuta
1 : the agreed upon or exchange value of a currency
2 : FOREIGN EXCHANGE 2
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Walk, eh? Some choice.
What if I wanted to start an all-smoking, all-armed, no-search airline? My flight attendants would hand out complimentary frangible ammo in various calibers to everyone boarding, and the safety instruction card would provide information on airline cabin tactics along with proper use of oxygen masks.
What's that you say? The Feds won't allow it?
What do you really mean by "choice?"
FrankDrebin
Moderator
"But it could save lives!"
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Depends on which principles and whose life is at stake.
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Depends on which principles and whose life is at stake.
fwcofficer
New member
All the ignorance here is quite amusing. I used to work for TSA and while some procedures I didn't agree with, the reason people are selected for private screening is not because of the government, it is because of the airline. The airline is the one responsible for selecting who gets additional screening. If you don't like it, you are more than free to address the issue with the airline.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
fwc-
Aware of the fact that the airlines can designate you for additional screening.
Two simple questions:
1) Can TSA officers effect the same result also?
2) Are the Airlines responsible for the smarmy, impersonal, arrogant and invasive manner of certain TSA officials? If so, I guess those officials are "just following orders".
Rich
Aware of the fact that the airlines can designate you for additional screening.
Two simple questions:
1) Can TSA officers effect the same result also?
2) Are the Airlines responsible for the smarmy, impersonal, arrogant and invasive manner of certain TSA officials? If so, I guess those officials are "just following orders".
Rich
novus collectus
Moderator
And who trains the TSA guards? If it is the government then they are all trained the same way. If it is the airlines then maybe they NEED to all be trained the same way.
FrankDrebin
Moderator
I don't think the fact that a TSA is rude or smarmy has anything to do with violating anyone's rights. If you don't like their attitude, make a complaint after you get home. Sounds like more feelings being bruised than civil rights. As far as I know, you don't have a right to polite service.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Funny, in any business I ever owned, I thought just the opposite.
Looks like the "I'm OK, Screw You" generation now dominates. More's the pity for that.
Rich
Ah, Brave New World
that has such people in it.........
"I don't think the fact that a TSA is rude or smarmy has anything to do with violating anyone's rights."
You need to reconsider your assertion. "Rude" is an egregiously inadequate term for the procedures citizens are being subjected to by bullies who would otherwise have their public orations limited to "Want fries with that?"
Men targeting women for "enhanced security checks" and then groping them is a violation of their rights. So is strip-searching them in open areas (stairwells) and/or filming the attacks. It's called "assault" - grasp the concept.
"Tossing" luggage, as opposed to mere scans and explosive wipe-downs, in the utter absence of probable cause, consent or a warrant trashes the 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments. Then there's the pilfering, unprosecuted because to do so would supposedly compromise their classified security procedures. I was not aware that theft was a "security procedure." Can you enlighten us on that point?
Threatening the arrest, expulsion and permanent ban on anyone who questions these outrages is abuse of process.
Since these thugs now operate under color of law, they constitute civil rights violations under 42 USC 1983.
Care to tell us again how no rights are being violated? :barf:
that has such people in it.........
"I don't think the fact that a TSA is rude or smarmy has anything to do with violating anyone's rights."
You need to reconsider your assertion. "Rude" is an egregiously inadequate term for the procedures citizens are being subjected to by bullies who would otherwise have their public orations limited to "Want fries with that?"
Men targeting women for "enhanced security checks" and then groping them is a violation of their rights. So is strip-searching them in open areas (stairwells) and/or filming the attacks. It's called "assault" - grasp the concept.
"Tossing" luggage, as opposed to mere scans and explosive wipe-downs, in the utter absence of probable cause, consent or a warrant trashes the 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments. Then there's the pilfering, unprosecuted because to do so would supposedly compromise their classified security procedures. I was not aware that theft was a "security procedure." Can you enlighten us on that point?
Threatening the arrest, expulsion and permanent ban on anyone who questions these outrages is abuse of process.
Since these thugs now operate under color of law, they constitute civil rights violations under 42 USC 1983.
Care to tell us again how no rights are being violated? :barf: