Something New: Springfield Armory XD Pistols??

I understand your stand man...

Yes, it stinks that they marked up the price so much, and I hope they bring it down. But still, why would that deter someone from buying one? Merely because that person might know that they once sold for much less? Now that they are priced as they are, it really doesn't matter what they used to sell for. In many peoples opinion, they are still a value even at the new higher price. And the point about the price putting the HS2000 to within easy reac of an upsale to a Glock, well that assumes that a Glock is an upsell at all, which many HS owners (who also own Glocks) might deny. I have a fair amount of experience with Glocks and the HS2000, and if anything I would consider an HS2000 to be an upsell to a Glock - and still at a lower price.

However, I do agree that it remains to be seen how well the HS holds up over the years. So maybe considering that fact, the price is currently too high.

I guess I should not even be concerned with this crazy XD pricing argument - I only paid $289 for my HS2000, NIB.
 
I took my new XD/9 to the range yesterday and love it. Ate 50 rds of S&B without a hiccup. Very easy to shoot and very comfortable. My dealer has a .40 that will be mine soon.

As for the higher price, the HS 2000 had absolutely no support. If you sent your gun in to be repaired they would install used parts. Springfield is asking HS owners with problem guns to send them in so they can be evaluated and repaired for free. Support takes cash. I would guess they'll settle into the $360-$380 range, not a bad deal for a quality gun with a company behind it.
 
Molly:

The reason why the HS2000 gained popularity was because it was a great value gun well priced to comete against the CZ, Taurus, and Ruger guns.

But once you set the price point higher, the competition goes up.

If SA can offer great warranty service and really support the XD and offer barrels for conversions, etc, in nine months people will forget the old pricing and embrace it as another offering.

Or it will die off like the South African TZ-99 made by Tressitu.

They are good guns, but the pricing and the timing was off. Post 9-11, SA could have really made a grab for some market share with all of the first time gun owners. Missed opportunities . . ..
 
jtduncan...Love the TZ-99 reference!! But, to give a better representation that hits closer to home, REMEMBER THE SPRINGFIELD ARMORY P-9??? Another BS venture by SA to screw the public out of hard earned money...These were CZ-75 clones and as I recall these things cost an east $100 more than the other CZ copies out there and were even more expensive than the original CZ itself!!! I still see CZ's everywhere...I can get a NEW one local for $319 w/ one factory hi-cap mag...But SA wanted $500 plus 10 years ago!!! The only reason that SA doesnt still import and sell this pistol is because it isn't (and wasn't ) profitable!!! The American public didnt go for it then, and they won't go for it now!!!
 
well, I am impressed with the xd. I consider it to be a better value than a glock and I like the features on it more than a glock. The xd is now roughly in the price range of the cz75pcr which is good company. The hs2000 was roughly in the price range of the cz75 turkish which are disappearing. I would naturally want to pay less for a weapon as would anybody but I am willing to pay for what I want and I did. I further feel more secure knowing that sp is backing the gun than the hs2000 former importer (can't even recall who they were).
 
Intrac...

I have has several problems w/ SA service and basically to me it boils down to the fact that SA and Intrac have the same service quality, and Intrac does not have service that I am aware of. I would rather spend $125 less and not expect service w/ Intrac than spend the $125 and waste my time and money calling SA asking them if they've concluded what the problem is with my weapon...wait on hold for eons...send my weapon out for repair and recieve it back 5 months later...call them advise them I have a problem and have them tell me to send it to them and they'll look at it w/ no promise of return date, repair or replacement!!!
Basically expecting Service that is promised and not recieving it!!!
 
If you look at this months Guns and Ammo you will see some pictures of accuracy groups fired with the Hs in 9mm, .40 and .357 Sig. The groups are terrible especially the ones shot with the 9mm. The other magazine Gun Tests last year also experieced a lack of accuracy when testing out this pistol.

I think with the new very high outragous prices that Springfield is charging for the Hs2000 that one would be better off up grading to the Walther P99 which supposedly is about to slash prices substantially. The Walthers are indeed very accurate pistols.

Springfield Armory has promised spare parts for the Hs2000 but remember they are not the manufacturer of this pistol , they are the importer and they are at the mercy of the factory in Croatia that makes them. If there is civil unrest or a large foreign contract for this pistol do not hold your breath in anticipation for a lot of spare parts. Time will tell if there are spare parts and the best thing to do before buying one is call Springfield ad ask if you can buy a spare firing pin etc. etc. and you will find out very quickly if you can get any spare parts.
 
Good gosh, didn't anyone take Economics in school? It's called "whatever the market will bear." It's called "supply and demand." It's called "capitalism." In other words, the market will set the price.

I don't understand this "Springfield is screwing the consumer" nonsense at all. Is someone forcing consumers to buy the Springfield XD? No.

As much as I like the XD pistol, it's not one of life's essentials. The consumer will not die without it. The consumer is not compelled to buy it. The consumer can decide if the price is agreeable and can decide whether or not to fork over the cash. The consumer can say no thank you. The consumer is in the driver's seat, for goodness sake. Hello??

As I've stated in this thread ad nauseum, if consumers won't pay "X" amount of dollars for a product, then the manufacturer will lower the price until an amount is reached that results in both sales and profits. Or if the price can't be lowered enough to generate both, it will drop the product. Simple as that.

Springfield has set a suggested MSRP (just as Intrac/HS Arms set an MSRP of over $419, according to their website). Dealers can adhere to the MSRP or ignore it. I personally know of some shops that have been selling XDs quite nicely at $429 and $439. I also see that some places are offering it for $389 -- which isn't much of a jump from the $325 to $350 that many places were asking recently for the HS2000 (BTW, a $64 jump from $325 to $389 is less than a 17% jump, not a 37% jump).

Which brings me to another point: THE DAYS OF THE $269 HS2000 ARE OVER!! That was an introductory price, a "come-on" price, a "get our foot in the door price", a "get some name recognition and market share" price. That price was not going to stay that low, no way no how. And anyone who though it would needs a dose of reality. Before losing the import contract, Intrac istelf had already indicated the price would be going up. Now that Springfield has the contract, they're doing things than Intrac/HS was unable to do. They've introduced two new calibers. They have repair parts on hand. They're conducting a full scale marketing and PR campaign. They're working in conjunction with accessory manufacturers. They're staying in touch with their customers -- go to HS2000-Talk and you'll see that Dennis Reese himself participates in thread discussions and responds to questions asked of Springfield. And they're honoring the HS2000 warranty, for pete's sake --- which Intrac is not doing. All of which is arguably worth an extra $64 or more.

If you want to argue that Springfield has foolishly priced the XD too high in a competitive marget segment, I can respect that opinion. Time and the market will tell for sure. But if you try to tell me that Springfield is somehow guilty of malicious consumer practices, I'm going to vehemently disagree. It's called the free market. And the free market is the manner in which manufacturers attempt to make a profit. And profits are why they are in business in the first place.

Take care all. Marko


P.S.: For those of you who haven't read the entire thread, do yourself a favor by doing so. Most, if not all, of the criticisms put forth in the most recent posts have already been thoroughly refuted by a number of people earlier in this thread.
 
Wasn't there a time about 15 years ago when Glock was struggling for respect against the 1911 powerhouse? Things look different on the other side of the debate, don't they?

As a Glock owner I try to accord my fellow shooters the courtesy of letting them use what they shoot best without comment. Shouldn't we feel secure enough in our choice of the Glock to not worry about the XD someone is using in the lane next to us? How does someone who likes an XD impact my life?


Goalie
 
Has anyone thought that the Reason HS couldn't hang is because they didn't get enough return to stay afloat and finance new growth? Hhmm......Maybe a lifetime warranty, beau coup spare parts and support is worth more. In the grand scheme, $450.00 is not that much money. Neither is $1 Million now days for the sake of discussion.
 
It doesn't matter to me that the XD costs more than it did as an HS2000 because I never owned an HS2000. The XD smokes a Glock though and for less money. I love it! :p
 
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There is a fellow on AR15.com selling a LNIB HS2000 for $300...it has been posted for nearly a week and not a bite...I'd try him for $275 before I bit into a $425 XD!!! How can the market support the XD for that price when there are plenty of good used HS2000's for sub $300...and there you go on your resale!!! I'm also not much of a Glock guy...I prefer HK's...and I agree that the HS2000 is an excellent side-arm...just cant believe the price increase!!! People can make excuses and give what they see to be valid reasons for the increase, but the bottom line is that it is still an extra $100+ out of my pocket...For this reason I am not interested!!! But that doesn't mean you have to be disinterested too! Different Strokes for Different Folks!!!
 
SOLARPIMP: I agree that I'd take the HS2000 at $275 (or even $300) over an XD in 9mm at $425. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it, as they are identical guns. Unfortunately, $300 HS2000s are becoming harder to find, and obviously the supply is finite.

BTW, thanks for the AR15.com tip. I'll let the folk over at HS2000-Talk know about it.

Take care. Marko
 
I know it is PC to have all the extra goodys on todays pistols, but all that stuff ie loaded chamber indicator, visible striker, fourth safety etc.
But to me its just one more thing that can go wrong or get hung up on your holster or clothing.
One of the best features of a Glock is simplicity.
You pull the trigger it goes bang, everytime.
Why stop there, lets design a pistol with 5 maybe 6 safetys.
If you follow the fundimental hand gun rules there is no way for a AD to happen with a Glock.
Max
 
The grip safety on the XD is interesting - simple, automatic and ambidexterous. Compared to the Glock, it might give some extra gun handling safety and flexibility in certain situations.
 
Actually, I personally find the grip safety to be a minus.

It locks up the slide when not depressed.

I have seen several trainers complain about problems performing administrative drills for this reason. I have also seen some reliability problems reported.

I have no idea how widespread they are and NO AXE TO GRIND!

Most people who like Glocks prefer NOT to have a bunch of levers and buttons.

If the XD allows those that feel more comfortable with levers and buttons to enjoy a polymer framed pistol then it is great.
 
Don't 1911s have grip safeties - Les Baers, Kimbers, Springfields, etc.?

A grip safety is hardly a newfangled contraption or Rube Goldberg concoction of "levers and buttons".

Tony
 
One more thought - I'll bet that dead cop shot by his 2-yr old with his Glock would give a testimonial on behalf of grip safeties if we could do a seance.

Tony
 
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