Something New: Springfield Armory XD Pistols??

Tony: Good analogy to the 1911. The HS/XD is a single action pistol whose trigger's travel distance is short. IMHO the grip safety on the HS/XD is very well designed. It acuates with a normal (notice I didn't say perfect) grip by the user. To be honest, I never even notice that it's there. And more importantly, it's never failed to actuate in the almost 8,000 rounds though my two pistols.

Take care. Marko
 
One more thought - I'll bet that dead cop shot by his 2-yr old with his Glock would give a testimonial on behalf of grip safeties if we could do a seance.

Tony

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How amazingly tactful; dragging a man accidentally killed by his own child into a "My gun's best and your gun sucks" pissing contest.

I'm quite sure his spectre could give an emotional testimonial on grip safeties, thumb safeties, trigger locks, gun safes, bullet-resistant vests, etcetera.

What he should give a testimonial on is "Why you shouldn't lay a loaded, unholstered handgun within reach of a toddler and turn your back". :rolleyes:
 
Sure, we can and do get along.

Great little disfunctional family.

Don't misinterpret a HEATED DEBATE with animousity. No malice here just strong opinions.

All in good fun. And most non-gun folks would probably think the XD or the HS2000 was a new revoluytionary cleaner. I hate those cheesey infommercials!

Whenever you're up in Seattle, I'll take you to one of my ranges, shoot with you, and even buy the appetizers. But one rule, we shoot for beers. Its a tradition at WSI Range. Losers buy the brewski's!!!!

:)
 
If the XD allows those that feel more comfortable with levers and buttons to enjoy a polymer framed pistol then it is great.

"Levers and buttons" are both plural, like there are several of each.

The only difference in the XD and Glock's "levers and buttons" are:

1. The grip safety
2. A takedown lever, which most guns have anyway. And, it is easier to use then simutaneously pulling down those tiny serrated buttons on a Glock.
 
Concerning Costing:

People, anytime a manufacturer agrees to buy & resell a product that is selling at a low margin, the price is going up.

Consider: the HS2000 was, by current market standards, selling below market price. Who knows what margin the manufacturer had on the gun, but let's assume they decided to limit profit to get their guns on the shelves and projected a 30% gross margin. Assuming the dealers selling at $279 had a 15% markup on their cost, here is what happened:

Dealer Cost = $242 ($279/1.15 [15% markup])

Manfacturer's Cost: $169 ($242x.70[30% margin], includes 10% for advertising, marketing, shipping, etc. bringing manufacturing cost to $154)

Assuming the above is anywhere close to accurate (& I have no proof, just speculation), then let's also assume that Springfield is buying the guns in large quantities at about $205 each, providing the manufacturer with a 25% margin on $154. No manufacturing company in their right mind would take much less than that.

So:

Springfield's gun cost: $205

Internal costs (advertising, marketing, shipping, etc.) = 10%

Total costs: $226

Gross Margin of 35% = $226/.65=$348

Dealer cost: $348
Dealer markup of 15% = $348 x 1.15= $400

Again - pure speculation, but we know that the HS2000 was priced low for the market. I don't know what kind of profit the manufacturer's look for, but I work for a manufacturing firm & our management is well aware that they can get 15% to 20% on the dollar by simply investing - so why expose yourself to all the liability of being in business (especially producing handguns) for the same return?

When the manufacturer sells its own product, you pay for 1 company's costs and profit. When 1 manufacturing firm resells another manufacturing firm's product, you pay for 2. The only way it makes any sense for Springfield at all is they believe it would cost them more internally to produce a competitive product than buying the HS2000, along with the development time, and the market is alive.

I'm not a tupperware gun fan - I own only a KelTec P32. Not arguing the merits for or against; they just don't appeal to me. But I don't think Springfield is out to gouge their customers, they simply want to turn a profit.

It's up to the consumer to decide if the gun is worth it.
 
Logical and reasonable analysis, Kevin.

In addition to the cost + considerations, Springfield is probably also looking at the market price to position the XD properly. So if the cost + analysis is lower than what is perceived as the market clearing price for the XD, Springfield will likely let the price rise to that level and maximize profit while minimizing product substitution.

Either way, as you've shown, for a mass-produced pistol there's not a windfall profit to be had.

Tony
 
Thanks, Tony.

While I don't have an itch for a plastic gun, I can appreciate those who do. The XD must be a quality piece, as most who own the HS2000 will attest to. We can all benifit from another quality manufacturer in the game! But there is just no way that Springfield can sell that gun anywhere near what HS Arms sold it for & turn a decent profit. Let's hope each manufacturer keeps tightening their own belt to stay competitive & keep costs down.

That type of playing field helps keep the "greed" factor (which is usually present somewhere in every company, in check.
 
Hey Kev:

When we finally hit the range together, I'll be sure to bring along my HS and my XD40. Still have that CDP of yours?

Take care. Marko
 
HS2000 said:
When we finally hit the range together, I'll be sure to bring along my HS and my XD40. Still have that CDP of yours?

How you been, Marko? Do you think we will ever get to do some shooting together?? :D

Yep, still have the CDP & added a full sized Classic Stainless to go with it. Problem is, I've been doing too much buying & not enough shooting - been enjoying being married & having a family this time - now I have a step daughter.

So....I need pushed! We should try to get together sometime. From what I gather reading your posts & what I know about myself, if we brought one or 2 different guns to the range once a month or so we could probably go for a year before repeating... :)

Take care my friend -

Kevin
 
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