Something New: Springfield Armory XD Pistols??

Springfield marketing misleading

Anyone else besides me find it annoying how Springfield presents themselves as the "oldest name in American firearms" and yet their firearms are all for the most part made overseas? Aren't their 1911's primarily made in Brazil? The XD is made in Croatia, right? Look at this link:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl.shtml
From this you'd think the pistol was US-made right there in Illinois. Nothing wrong with buying foreign firearms, but for those of us who make the effort to find/buy US-made products, I find it misleading...
 
EAA WITNESS vs SPRINGFIELD P-9

LOL.


We'll ses how 'pricing' affects sales.
(Still plastic, ugh.)
(Bash bash bash...)




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"all my handguns are honest-to-God metal handguns"
 
FTR - the HS2000 is a good gun and its even a good gun if you call it an XD.

If I want a value gun, I think the Ruger P-series offers it. Lord knows many of have Ruger Redhawks and Ruger has always treated me well.

If not Ruger, then EAA. while I think their bikini-clad models peddling their guns is ridiculous, their polymer and steel guns in 10mm and with multiple converison kits gives you the option to have one gun and shoot 45 ACP and a good two to three other calibers from one platform. And they can be had for under $400.

And there is the improved SW Sigma series also in the low $400 range.

And for $289, you can buy a South African P-226 clone called the TZ-99 with a pair of NIB factory 15-round hi caps. And these bad boys have gotten good reviews from shooters all over the Net. Scrap what the gun rags say. They have to walk the line betweent he truth and advertising revenue or they are out of the biz.

And the Arcus BHP 9mm clones are priced the same and offer value too. You just may have to be a bsement gunsmith to keep it finely tuned.

And the Taurus Millenium series is also a serious hitter in the low $400 range. And they even sell revolvers.

Ultimately, we buy what fancies us.

I love Glocks, Sigs, HKs, and big bore revolvers in the SW flavor.

But when any consumer can buy a LNIB or factory refurbed or police trade-in Glock or Sig P-series for $400-450 with a pair of hi caps, you better be far from their pricing becuase if they are known to be available, they will disappear.

Rememeber the 1999-2000 bum rush for the $700 HKP7s? People want deals. And you can offer them a deal with value and quality, they will buy it and keep it.

One of the most improtant lessons I've learned in life is NEVER settle. If your budget is tight, eat Top Ramen for a month to buy the gun you want. Get your priorities straight. Guns and reloading, the all other itmes next. Always go for the best. Then you'll never be disappointed.

No matter how many ways we try to skin this cat, we will not agree.

You will be assimilated into the Glock collective.

Resistance if futile.

We are many. We are the police.

We will take your individuality and make it part of our own.

We are the GlockTalk board.

We are the over two dozen Glock speciality shops on the Net alone. When you think Kydex, think Glock. Without us, Mesa, Arizona would be economically weak.

We are the GSSF shooting foundation with hundreds of LIFETIME members.

We own the movie actors guild, look at what they carry on TV and in the movies.

You cannot breathe without us. We are the POLYMER COLLECTIVE! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
 
"But when any consumer can buy a LNIB or factory refurbed or police trade-in Glock or Sig P-series for $400-450 with a pair of hi caps, you better be far from their pricing becuase if they are known to be available, they will disappear."

Save for a G20, for $400 I'd rather buy a new XD than a tired out, holster worn Glock trade-in with inferior ergonomics, inferior trigger, and less safety features.:eek:

Tony
 
JT my friend, we will disagree on this till the cows come home, and neither one of us is going to give an inch.

I own most of the guns you mentioned in your post - Argus 94, TZ-99, Ruger P-97, Taurus Millennium, and the HS2000. To me, the HS/XD is worth every bit of $400. I will be adding the .40 within the next month, and the .357 as soon as it's available. I've looked at Glocks, and just don't like the feel of them, though my 10mm addiction may require a model 29 fix, as I don't find the sub compacts as offensive as the full and mid-sized versions.

It is your opinion that the pistol will not sell at $400, but after owning and shooting the 9mm since April, I'm more than willing to pay that much for the .40 and .357.
 
I was in Ft Worth last weekend for the gun show and Dr Avery has dropped the price on the XD to $389. MUCH more realistic IMO.
 
Springfield Armory...NOT A QUALITY BUILDER...BUT A QUALITY IMPORTER???

When is everyone going to get the picture???

Springfield Armory is ONLY an importer!!!
NOT A BUILDER!!!

All of their 1911's are made on South American lowers!!!

The non-HELLENIC SAR 8's are JUNK...you know the ones with the Federal Arms Aluminum Recievers???

The M1A's are serviceable, but none I have shot shoot better than the Poly-techs and Norinco's I have fired!!!

The scopes are serviceable at best, several of the one's I have owned had the "bubble-level" straight when the horizontal cross-hair was clearly not anywhere near level to the ground!!!

In short...the one weapon that I would own that Springfield Armory has imported that I would own, and do own is a Hellenic SAR-8...Basically an HK-91 w/ a Thumbhole-stock...made on Orbendorf Machinery that was shipped to Greece!!!

Other than that, they can have the rest!!!

Springfield Armory is a name that this company pirated from and excellent Armory in American history and now they have gone to pirating the American people of their hard-earned money. Selling a pistol for 25% more than I could have acquired it for a year ago...

Solar
 
Guns & Ammo has the XD on the cover of the Feb issue as "Springfield's Polymer Powerhouse".

Highly positive article.

Tony
 
The Hsc 2000 was tempting when they sold for less but now that they are overpriced they will not last long in the market place. Wages in Croatia are very, very low and current price of the gun is way out of line as to what it is worth and also what people are willing to pay for a weapon made by a largely unknown and unfamiliar manufacturer.

The word is out after Gun Test did a review on the weapon. It does not have a fully supported slide and the accuracy was pedestrian at best.

The only plus about the pistol is the grip safety. That addition did make the pistol somewhat safer than the glock but unfortunately they did not go far enough and put a manuel safety on the pistol. This fact alone will turn a lot of people off from buying it. This is not idle speculation. I happened to be standing behind a group of people in a gun store and the first comment that was made by two of them was the absence of a manual safety. Neither person bought the gun. Both of them walked out of the shop with guns that had manuel safeties. One bought a used Berretta (for less money) and the other bought a used P38.

The mediocre accuracy of the piece, the uncertainy of spare parts from an unfamiliar manufacturer, the non-existence of high caps and the new high price all make it an unwise purchase today for the person who is a shooter and not a collector.

If you are a collector and not a shooter buy one now because they will not be around for much longer in the market place before importation is cancelled for good.
 
leej

The mediocre accuracy of the piece,
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The one my roommate had would hang with his Browning High Power out to 25 yards.
the uncertainy of spare parts from an unfamiliar manufacturer,
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Springfield Armory is who people will associate spare parts with now.
the non-existence of high caps
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Mybe you haven't studied up on this pistol; Beretta 92 mags (the most plentiful on earth) will work in the HS/XD.




SOLARPIMP
The M1A's are serviceable, but none I have shot shoot better than the Poly-techs and Norinco's I have fired!!!
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:confused: Perhaps if you moved the targets out past the fifty-yard line you'd notice the difference.
 
Originally Posted by leej The word is out after Gun Test did a review on the weapon. It does not have a fully supported slide and the accuracy was pedestrian at best.
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Have you shot this pistol, or do you always take gun rag articles as Gospel? Gun Test Mag did not use a machine rest when evaluating accuracy in that article. The pistols where fired from sand bags. This allows for shooter error. There's been several other reviews (mostly by LEO mags), and all but Gun Tests consider the pistol as very accurate. Those of us who own and shoot these pistols can also attest to their accuracy. TFL's own SWAT mag reviewed the pistol in December of 2000 and had the following to say.

....this particular pistol tended to throw the first round. As this is a brand new pistol, it may simply need to settle itself. Accuracy was still excellent, but it would have been better without the one flyer....I reloaded the HS 2000 and then dropped it into a nearby stream. After swirling it around in the mud for a bit, I fished it out. A quick yank on the slide chambered a round, and then I dumped the entire magazine as fast as I could. The HS 2000 never missed a beat.... I came away very impressed with the HS 2000. While not revolutionary, it is an extremely well thought out and precision manufactured combat pistol. It looks good, feels good, functions flawlessly, and is accurate. Time will tell on the durability of the HS 2000, but it appears to be a first rate service pistol.
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BTW, wasn't it Gun Tests that proclaimed the Makarov as junk? IIRC, their test gun kept launching slides, something I've never heard of ever happening with a Makarov. More than likely, the idiots didn't have the gun assembled properly. Personally, I and many others don't consider Gun Tests a reliable source.
 
So I wake up thinking it's New Year's Day, and find out instead it's April Fool's Day...:rolleyes:

Tamara and Gusgus, thanks for bringing us back to reality.


Take care all, and have a safe and happy New Year. Marko
 
Nope. You've been fooled. It's New Year's Day.

Have a real good day, and take great care.



btw, do you post as "hs2000" over on GT, too?
 
Forty: No, I go by "Marko" over at GT, the SIG Forum, the CZForum, HS2000-Talk, and the Makarov Forum, amongst others. I go by "Marko9x18" on some other boards. I tried registering under several variations of "Marko" here at TFL, but they were already taken. As I originally registered here in order to reply to another contentious thread on the HS2000 a good while back, I thought I'd be clever ( :rolleyes: ) and log in as HS2000. After that, I just kept using that handle here.

But I think I'm going to change my handle here to some "Marko" variant in order to have some consistency nd to lessen confusion.

Take care and have a safe and happy New Year. Marko
 
Mybe you haven't studied up on this pistol; Beretta 92 mags (the most plentiful on earth) will work in the HS/XD

Thank you for this info. I wonder if these Beretta mags just fit right in or if they require modifcation?

I could be in error but I thought I read somewhere on another forum that the mags had to be modified and that they did not work to well.

Not to be a doubting Thomas but in the past I have seen people do this with other pistols and even semi-auto rifles. In every case the firearm usually gave the user unreliable performance because the mags used were not originally designed to work in the intended weapon.

I do indeed hope that the Beretta mags work in this pistol and do it reliably but I would actually have to see this done myself before I would go out and buy the Hsc2000.

Also there may be a question of legallity. This weapon was never imported before the ban with high cap mags. Everyone knows the ATF makes up its rules as it goes along and often changes them very quickly. I would hate to get caught shooting one of these pistols with a Beretta mag in it and have it declared illegal on the spot so to speak. One could end up in jail for a long, long, time.

I remember reading on the FN forum that modifing weapons often propels one into a very grey area where even the ATF often must try and decide what is legal and what is not legal.
 
Leej, I use S&W 59 series hi-caps by Promag in my HS2000. You have to drill a hole, do some filing to shape it, and shave the follower down a bit - nothing too complicated.

And they do fit well and feed flawlessly.

Tony
 
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