so...there are no cooks in the armed forces?

Even the Coast Guard has snipers

Some helicoptor air crews use sniper rifles to disable vessels and we have security teams complete with divers, K-9, snipers and people who can fast rope onto vessels for boardings. Of course they all think that they are the latest incarnation of Rambo!!
 
Cobray>> Yes, C-4 has potential to detonate if it's burning and you stomp on it. By itself, you can beat on it, throw it around, whatever, provided it doesn't hit flashpoint. It burns real nice, and not really a danger until you add pressure to that heat. When you combine heat with pressure, that's when it goes. So yes, stomping on a piece of burning c-4 isn't good for the feet.
 
If your statement about a young teen was telling you he was an AF Sniper you should start off by asking some easy questions. What type of rifle do you use for that stuff? Do you have an other job when your not out doing the snipe bit? You should be able to figure it out within one minute.
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I didn't really have to ask questions. It was pretty evident that the closest he's been to any military base is driving by Warren AFB down in Cheyenne. I say that because his hair was to the middle of his back and any CO would slap him around like they were his pimp if they saw his boots. I'm just going by the appearance of him, but he looked like one of the great all time losers of my generation. Sometimes, you have to ask the silly questions and hear the lies, other times, the lie presents itself for what it is.
 
I have no problem admitting what I was in a previous life. I've got the same gig in this life... I take huge, heavy, rocks from the base of a big, pointy structure to the top of a big, pointy structure. There's some mean guy in the background with a whip hollering at me.Then I repeat. Over and over and...
 
Sadl to say it but most of the big didng facilities are run by civilian contractors. You usually have A Sr. NCO who is the Food Service Sgt who oversees the contractor. At Ft. Hood some of the smaller dining facilities are run by military personnel with civilian contractors doing the KP duties.

The mess hall ran by the civilian contrator sucked.........they were there just to meet the bare minimums. To help catch the overflow in our areathe military cooks ran a mess hall at the BOQ that beat the civilian one hands down. needless to say I caught all my meals there.

When I was deployed overseas all the cooing was done by KBR...most of the supervisors were ex-military.

so nope cooks arent as plentiful as they once were.

I think the military cook is becoming an endangered species........
 
I have to admit, My dad was a cook in the army. This was during the Korean war era. That means he never saw action, nor did he ever leave the country, But I did like to kid him that he was fighting against both sides, because of his cooking.
 
I hate to admit it, but the best military mess I ever ate in, 1972 - 82 US Army, was the USMC run battalion level mess at Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD 1972.

Geoff
Who was there for the Small Arms School, with a mixed class of Marines, Soldiers and Sailors. The two sailors were VN vets, the only ones in the class with combat experience. One was a former cook. Yep, they really were SEALS and even the Marine First Sergent treated them with respect.
 
Platoon Confidence Training School......

We never tried to cook our MRE's with C-4. :eek: We would use Triox tabs that worked real fine. The GLCM mission was covert so the meal 3 times daily was MRE's. I did like some Army hot chow we had when I was at Bad Tolz, Germany. It was made at Flint Kaserne (spelling?) then transported out to this little Army camp. And to top it off we did 9 pull-ups to enter for breakfast......... if seconds were offered we hit the pull up bar again..... ;) Some darn interesting times they were....... Good memories now, but then? I might have been thinking to myself why the hell do I always raise my hand for these types of things ;)

Most of the time noise and light discipline kept us from any flame to heat food at night. We found that your main menu item could be warmed to a good temperature by putting the packet in your arm pit if you were in your hole or in an LP/OP holding still... 15-20 minutes and you had something almost worth calling dinner. ;)
 
Can't speak for AF food but I gained 23 pounds in army basic
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I too gained a bit of weight at Fort Leonard Wood. My metabolism just could not handle three full meals a day, with potatoes at every sitting. I went from the highest PT score in the company to something significantly less than that. Those cooks were civilain contractors, though.

Later on, I was a mess officer in the 82nd, so I know for a fact there were cooks in the 80s. Ate the CGs mess in Korea, and that was some decent eating.

Army cooks, what's left of them, can cook up a storm if they want too.

One of the few men on death row at Leavenworth was a cook in my regiment (504 P.I.R.), how's that for some trivial pursuit? ;)
 
? for AF Security types:

Do the Security forces also handle general policing on AF bases? I thougth there were separate security and police units.
 
#1 was mid 20's, slight build, wearing a visor upside down and backwards. He had on a basketball jersey and had a tat on his arm that said, "Thug life 4-eva". Appharently, he's a Navy Seal.
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Of course he is. He's one of the undercover Navy SEALs assigned to infiltrate the gang culture in-country. :rolleyes: :p

-blackmind
 
Well appearances CAN be decieving and a lot of SF operators are of about medium build. SF operators are triatheletes, not body builders, especially SEALs cause of thick body mass makes it much harder for them to successfully pass their swimming requirements, though I serisouly doubt any ex-SF will let themselves get serisouly out of weight..(feel free to prove me wrong)
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This rings true. My brother was in the army '88-'92, air assault and airborne qualified, and after OCS and soldier-of-the-year at Campbell, he was grooming to get into Ranger school. Plans changed and he didn't do that, though.

Anyway, he said that Rangers were lean, medium-built guys, not hulks. And he said it was not uncommon for a guy to go in at about 200 lbs. and come out about 170.

-blackmind
 
I also heard about the C4 going off when stomped on when lit. In the first gulf war I saw a few Combat engineers using bits of it as heat tabs to warm their coffee and they told me that it would detinate that way.
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I thought I had always heard that C4 was not something that could be lit -- that it had to be detonated with those little thingies like they used in Die Hard.

I did not know that C4 could actually be used to burn and provide heat in small quantities. IS this true?

(Trust me, I don't go looking for my tactical knowledge from movies like Die Hard...)

-blackmind
 
C-4 burns VERY well without going boom. So does dynamite and TNT. And yup, strike it or contain it while it burning, and... boom!
 
When I went back into the guard in 92. They wanted me to be a "Cook" I said "No way" to that 04:00 wake-up!!!!!!!!!
I instead became a 63B, 11B.......... :)
 
LOVE THIS THREAD!

Guys I can't believe most of you don't ask the easiest question to expose these posers! What's your MOS? I was a dirty nasty leg (infantry) from 86-90. Nothing amazingly special. Still it annoys me when I run into these tools. I am obligated to "out" them.

At the range I work at part time I meet a plethora of them. For a while I felt like the original poster of this thread. I was meeting more "S.E.A.L.S, S.F., Delta, and Rangers that didn't have a clue about disassembling a Glock, Sig, H&K, Beretta, or any of our 1911's. One guy came in wearing a tee-shirt with an Army logo on it. He didn't have the look. I baited him with this question, "what did you do in the Army?" His serious answer was that he was a Special Forces Green Beret Airborne Ranger/Sniper. I asked him what MOS that was. His response, a blank look he then asks what's a MOS, (pronounced like it rhymes with loss), and then he repeats the first above answer. I decided to play a little. I asked him what the numerical designation of the MOS was. He insists that that information is secret and repeats original answer. Mind you he is very serious about all this. I ask him where he took basic and airborne school and when he went through RIP and SF School. His answers were NOT Ft. Benning and or Ft. Bragg or any of the myriad of places these guys train to earn those tabs and he didn't know what RIP was (Ranger Indoctrination Program) Did I mention that he is with buddies of his. I look him in the eye and say sir you may have been a Power Ranger but there is NO way you were a U.S. Army Ranger! He gets angry and informs me that he will never come back to this place again. I told him I would try to weather the loss.

I know the above is a rant but fakes like that burn my butt. My grandfather was an electrician in the Navy aboard a fleet tender during WW 2. Whenever I asked him what he did he said "I put batteries in flashlights." I never really knew what he did beyond being an electrician. I work with a guy who will tell you he painted ships in the Navy. The owner was an O-4 in the Air Force, a former manager was in the Army with a few different MOS's. Another guy that was ex-Army and our former training director was the real deal when it came to bad asses. You would never know it talking to him. He was a cav scout in the Army, a 19D I believe. He was also a cop around DFW and he is on his way over to Pakistan to work for the State Department. It's the third time he has been overseas in two years. Long story short he rarely speaks about anything he's done and will only do so in when pressed. Even then it's not in great detail and he is usually giving a great deal of credit to other people for their contributions over his. Then you read an incident report faxed to his wife by his supervisor in Iraq. She faxes it to us. It details how even though he was wounded in an ambush of his convoy from Bagdad Airport he managed to rescue the principle and save the lives of other members of his team. Let's just say that he would never have shared this info with us and when asked just simply said those things had to be done, anyone would have done it no big deal. Somebody mentioned a quiet professional. This man is that. He carries himself as a warrior. It's an easy going attitude that exudes confidence without trying because he is in a dangerous business, so really what's there to worry about. This in contrast to a 23 year old cop wannabe that worked with us that had no problem telling you what kind of bad ass he was and how he worked as a "federal officer" in the highest crime infested neighborhood in Dallas. He worked for a security company that was given funds by the fed for the work they did, I think HUD. That made him a "federal officer." He would also go into great detail EVERY chance he could about the gun fight he was involved in and how a particular Sig P228 saved his life. I don't know how that occurred because it certainly wasn't his shooting of said weapon. No quiet dignity there. Just a poser wannabe.

Best,
Dave
 
"In the town of Yelm, we have J. Z. Knight, who makes a tidy profit by channeling words of advice from her previous existence as the mystical warrior Ramtha, who apparently ruled Atlantis or some such thing. I don't really keep up."

She deserves every dollar she gets.
 
the AF Security Forces

SENDEC: The Air Force Security Police were split into two specialties in the early 1970s -- Security and Law Enforcement. Security guarded aircraft and missle fields and provided perimeter defense, and the LE troops drove around in squad cars providing the services that a regular municipal police department would provide, as well as augmenting the Security Specialists as required. (I was a LE Specialist in the ANG. In 1980 the LE Academy was 6 weeks and 3 days long and the Security Academy was 8 weeks and 3 days long. Lots of overlap in the cirriculum, but LE only trained on the S&W 15 revolver and the M16 and the Security troops also shot M203s and M60s and spent more time in the field right at the end of training)

In 1997 or so the career field was retitled "Security Forces" and they did away with the seperate specialties. (which I felt was a mistake, but it didn't affect me that much because I had cross-trained into being a combat arms instructor in 1991 and then retired in 2000). I don't know if various bases have a training program for the cops selected to pull Law Enforcement duty or not, or how they work that.
 
sendec
Do the Security forces also handle general policing on AF bases? I thougth there were separate security and police units.
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Yes; when I was in the Law Enforcement specialists and Security specialists were two separate AFSCs. The Security Forces if I am not mistaken simply combined them.
 
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