Rudy Guiliani ahead in Republican nomination race

" I also don't want hillary in control of judicial nominations. The courts are really our last hope of defending our gun rights"
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Mayor Guiliani filed a lawsuit against two dozen firearms manufacturers. His statement, in part: "This is an industry which profits from the suffering of innocent people. The lawsuit is intended to end the free pass that the gun industry has enjoyed for a very long time".

Is HE who you would like to see in charge of judicial nominations, especially to the Supreme Court? I would certainly hope not.
 
I'm prolly one of the more vocal "liberal" members, but even I wouldn't vote for Mrs C. Nope, no way, no how.

As for Mr. G, how many people here actually have experienced the Big (rotten) Apple on his watch pre-911. It was like a state of martial-law ( ok, Im overexagerating a bit.); but still.... Heavy-handed tactics that didn't remove the core problems, only made them less visible to the general public. I shudder to think what his policy would be for the country

Tough love is one thing, he was plainly abusive.
 
In the old days, South Carolina would smoke him, due to his leftist social policies. However, now, there are many primaries the same day as SC, notably Nevada and I think now even Calif. So, what this does is give yet even more power to Iowa & NH. Iowa will T him up and smack him home in a taxicab, I should think. Let's see, pro-choice, married 3 times, pro-gay-rights, rabidly anti-gun. Yep, he will be bowing out after Iowa if not much sooner, guaranteed. Now if Calif were to go to a caucus system early with Iowa, then we'd be in trouble.

The real issue is why the Repubs can't pick someone who will actually be good for the country, like Ron Paul. Romney is the alltime heavyweight champion of unprincipled flip-floppers - makes Kerry look like a piker. McCain is pretty worthless, as we know. Duncan Hunter and Huckabee even are much less objectionable than the front 3. Hell, Bill Richardson, a Democrat, is much less objectionable than ANY Repub candidate, except of course Ron Paul.
 
I on'y bet when I know I can win. Sorry.
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And out there in California, would you put any money on your electoral votes going to someone other than the Dem?

The way I see it, you could vote for Giuliani out there in the general election, and your electoral votes will go to the Dem, and politicians reading the election results will interpret yours as another vote by a person who doesn't mind gungrabbers. OR, you could write in a pro-gun candidate, and your electoral votes will still go to the Dem, and politicians reading the election results will interpret yours as another vote by a person who won't settle for a gungrabber.

Either way, you get the same result, in that your electoral votes go to the Dem. You can choose to have your electoral votes go to the Dem and send a pro-gun message with your vote, or you can choose to have your electoral votes go to the Dem without sending that message with your vote.

Which is more useful?
 
Stage2,
He's gotcha there. :D
I live in a swing state and I refuse to vote for either of these two.
I don't even care if my vote decides between the two. They're indistinguishable.
I'm going to work very hard on behalf of Dr. Rep. Paul when it matters most; *before* the primary.
And when the dust settles...yeah I'll probably still be stuck with one of these two bums anyway but at least I gave it an honest effort instead of sitting around griping.
 
I don't even care if my vote decides between the two. They're indistinguishable.
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That's not true. They look pretty much the same from out here on the fringe, but I can see differences. For all his faults, George W. Bush DID appoint TWO guys to the Supreme Court who had in the past correctly identified something which is not interstate commerce. In the case of Alito, it was machine guns, and in the case of Roberts it was an indigenous California toad. OK, it's a weird example, but at least it's something.

I live in a swing state, and I do care if my vote decides between the two. So far, I haven't cared enough to actually vote for the Republican, but I've considered it.
 
For all his faults, George W. Bush DID appoint TWO guys to the Supreme Court who had in the past correctly identified something which is not interstate commerce.
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Publius42,
Is that meant to imply that Giuliani's SC nominees would look different from Clinton's? I'm not sure if that's the point you're getting at.
If so maybe you're right...but I just don't see it given their leanings and the political climate in Washington.
 
Yes, that was my point. I think I'd like Giuliani appointments better than Clinton ones, and not just Supreme Court appointments.
 
Women running congress, Pelosi speaker of the house?

Now Hillary might be the president of the USA?

Giuliani, the big NYC man as an alternative?

What would Washington think, Martha, not George

Good Lord, I’m so glad I’m not young anymore!
 
I can't decide whether to vote in the Republican primary to try to get a good candidate, or vote in the Democratic primary to cast a sabotage vote to try to get them a bad candidate...

I'll have to see how things are playing out as this goes along. Nothing that is happening now means anything for these campaigns.
 
Neither, but given the wierdness of this election, and the players, I'm not so sure that some traditionally blue states will be blue again. Not saying that california will suddenly find itself, however there are others that usually go democratic that could be in play. Hillary is an incredibly polarizing figure even among democrats. And Rudy shares many social issues with people that usually vote democrat. As a result, if Rudy is the nominee I'd like to see as much support as possible so that we can nibble away at the coast while hopefully retaining flyover america.
 
Wildalaska
Whine complain all ya want, vote for third parties over silly principles or just stay home, but in an election with XXXXXanyone (R) vs XXXXanyone (D), if ya dont vote the R you are just handing your precious guns away.

Better the enemy I give $$ to who may listen to me vs the enemy that just hates my guts.
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With all due respect, what you suggest IS the way to eventually hand your precious guns away. The seeds of this thinking were sown long ago, and we currently reap the results: R and D can't even be told apart any longer. If third party getting enough votes may make R pull their heads out of their behinds, it's certainly worth them losing one election.

The alternative is gradual slide of the whole system to the left - something you might've noticed has been happening for a while.

Old timers tell us stories about shooting teams in schools and kids carrying rifles going home; new timers tell us stories about kids arrested over a plastic gun. I see strong correlation between gradual tightening of gun laws and unconditional voting for the popular, rather than suitable, candidate. Parties are dynamic entities, they can be merged and their platforms altered correspondingly, it's a job of politicians to find most suitable blend allowing to win the election - even if it gets them few years to get that right or even just to get that.

My favorite example is Florida 2000. If enough people voted libertarian in 1996, R would've gotten the message and we might've had a libertarian rep in Bush's office.
 
The real issue is why the Repubs can't pick someone who will actually be good for the country
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Simply put,
The thinking I think is he (Guiliani) is the only candidate that can beat Ms. Hillery.
And unless someone with some real karsima comes along it's probably a true statement.

It is a long time till election day and anything can happen.
Remember Gary Heart being caught with the girl?
If not for that one incident Bill would have never been President, placing Hillery in the position she is in now. One incident can change the course of history, lets hope we have such a happening in the not to distant future.


Old timers tell us stories about shooting teams in schools and kids carrying rifles going home
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Less than 15 years ago the boys where our kids went to school would have their rifle in a rack in the back window of a pickup to go hunting after school. They, the guns, were in easy to view as you drove past the school. Federal law has changed that privilege
 
With all due respect, what you suggest IS the way to eventually hand your precious guns away. The seeds of this thinking were sown long ago, and we currently reap the results: R and D can't even be told apart any longer. If third party getting enough votes may make R pull their heads out of their behinds, it's certainly worth them losing one election.

The alternative is gradual slide of the whole system to the left - something you might've noticed has been happening for a while.
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You hit the nail on the head there, somaod! The purpose of voting third party in a losing effort is not to try to win (or to try to lose). It is to AFFECT or change FUTURE behavior (the NEXT election cycle) of the particular "wing" of the republicrat uni-party that finds that it lost the election due to the third party being the spoiler for thm, and thus make efforts to take that constituent block's principles back nearer to the heart of the platform of the "wing" (party). History has played this out....do you really think Clinton would have been all about a balanced budget leading up to 96 (as he was), had it not been for Perot putting the issue of the deficit at the forefront, and causing the Repubs to lose in 92? Of course not; he would have been the typical tax & spend Democrat. A third party candidate like that, in a losing efforts, drastically pulls the behavior of BOTH parties toward that particular principle for years and years to come - losing efforts are not really losses, in the grand scheme of things. The republicans and democrats stink equally badly! Vote third party!
 
No guys, my way is the right way. You vote for who you get, even if it the lesser of two evils, then and while you WORK to INFLUENCE your party to meet your ideas.


Go work for Rudy. When he gets elected, claim your reward. No workie, no bitchie.

PS...he is an uncorrupitble former prosecuter who raised NYC from the ashes. He is the MOST QUALIFIED of any candidate out there right now. And as Dennis Miller says, hes the only one out there who is not neurotic about killing terrorists :)

WildshowtimeAlaska
 
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