dragon55 said:
Someone that was that arrogant or confident or stupid would make me fear for his returning later for even worse acts.
skydiver3346 said:
You have to realize, that this person could possibly come back again at a later date (and maybe do worse next time). Its happened before and will no doubt, happen again.
As a civilian, you cannot employ deadly force for something that the person
might do at some future date, especially if you have no evidence he ever did something violent in the past. But let's look at it another way...
Homeowner wakes up at 11:55pm to odd noises. Eventually he steps outside with a flashlight and sees someone starting to walk away from the garden spigot with a water filled bucket... his bucket. He calls for the person to stop in rather harsh language and the trespasser calls back "I'll be back and we'll settle this."
Can he shoot because of what this person
might do when comes back? With no evidence of violence or violent threats, not a prayer. Even if he threated to come back and beat the owner to a bloody pulp, he would not be justified in shooting. Now... think of the above situation where the trespasser is your
father, brother, sister, wife, daughter, son... who's car was overheating in a rural area late at night and decided to borrow 2 gallons of water and the bucket to get home... with the intention of leaving a few bucks in the bucket for the use -- instead of waking people up late at night. You'd be insisting that the law prosecute the owner, now wouldn't you?
Old Wanderer said:
And going back to the OP, when you told him to get out of your car, he did threaten sexual violence. Were you fearful, not only for yourself but your family.....quaking in my boots. Who know what might have happened in 30 minutes.
Watch out... if you stretch it too far, it'll break and slap you silly.
You can stretch a point only so far. If someone tells you to go F-- yourself or to F-- off, the court is
not going to find that those words were a threat of sexual violence.
Dwight55 said:
And if Mr. Non-compliance is wearing a tee shirt and shorts, . . . you can get enough of either on him in short order that you may make some $$$$ renting him your garden hose before the LEO folks arrive.
Classic! I love it Dwight!
Accept no checks or cards, cash only, and in small bills.
The Goal
The goal of this post was to exercise the gray matter and get people to think rationally instead of with their gonads or emotions.
Jumping up and down on a thief's hands until they quit crunching might be satisfying to someone's sense of revenge or "justice". But it can also get you some serious jail time if you exceed known limitations on the use of force.
The whole point is to ask yourself what will you do if a criminal type or even a potential criminal type just passively fails to comply with your instructions? By doing the unexpected (and/or illogical or irrational) the BG can get inside your OODA loop and distract you long enough to make his move. Or allow his unseen partner to make a move on you.
Have more than one solution!
That guy walking out of your open garage, carrying off your expensive golf clubs just keeps walking away with no threat to you... think outside the box. How about that 15-ft electrical cord? Tie a knot in one end and swing it 'round and try to hobble his legs. Or use it like Indiana Jones' bullwhip.
Reading comprehesion is a tool too. Do it by PM so as to to waste bandwidth in your futile efforts
