Maybe I need to rethink my faith in 45 acp
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protectedbyglock
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Keep the Faith!!
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HoraceHogsnort
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".Maybe you need to rethink your faith in Gabe Suarez."
When I went to his website I was greated with loud, hyped up music. My first thought was, "If the guy REALLY has something of value to offer, why does he feel the need to resort to that kind of presentation?"
When I went to his website I was greated with loud, hyped up music. My first thought was, "If the guy REALLY has something of value to offer, why does he feel the need to resort to that kind of presentation?"
MaxHeadSpace
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-- a Glock and four loaded high cap mags in 45 ACP . . . and I'm betting "daily carry" includes a tool belt with a shelter-half and a mess kit.
I'm not posting photos of my elephant gun.
I'm not posting photos of my elephant gun.
RTBArms731
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+1 to the idea that there ain't likely to be much need for a lot of rounds in a typical situation. Where are the stats showing 8+ rounds fired in self-defense? It could happen, but it mostly doesn't. One-and-done is MUCH more common, and I'd like my one to be my best shot (pun intended).
That said, there could be a worse-than-you-ever-imagined prolonged firefight, in which 17+1 could be useful. Yes, and giant locusts could descend and chew off the hair of your women-folk. Are you prepared?
But really... Are you planning for The End of Days?
That said, there could be a worse-than-you-ever-imagined prolonged firefight, in which 17+1 could be useful. Yes, and giant locusts could descend and chew off the hair of your women-folk. Are you prepared?
But really... Are you planning for The End of Days?
The most practical answer to most caliber debates is to find a caliber and a bullet design that will allow you to penetrate into the important portions of a target to do maximum damage, and then learn to achieve that goal consistently and accurately.
Discussions about statistics, attitudes, beliefs, etc are largely useless. Should you get in a gunfight, it will be your gunfight. Don't expect a round right between the eyes to have any effect except giving the bad guy a headache. It's happened before and it will happen again. Don't expect a 9mm, 10mm, or .45 to work even when perfectly placed, as they fail about as much as any other round. Bullets to major arteries and bones may or may not work. Many people have been killed by the walking dead, and many who fall down from such rounds get back up.
And we can no more assume that having a high capacity weapon means "spray and pray" than having a 1911 translates over to accuracy or skill.
I can't recall who said it, but some of the best advice I ever heard was that "people try to buy at the gun shop what they don't earn on the range." That applies to both sides of these kind of arguments.
Discussions about statistics, attitudes, beliefs, etc are largely useless. Should you get in a gunfight, it will be your gunfight. Don't expect a round right between the eyes to have any effect except giving the bad guy a headache. It's happened before and it will happen again. Don't expect a 9mm, 10mm, or .45 to work even when perfectly placed, as they fail about as much as any other round. Bullets to major arteries and bones may or may not work. Many people have been killed by the walking dead, and many who fall down from such rounds get back up.
And we can no more assume that having a high capacity weapon means "spray and pray" than having a 1911 translates over to accuracy or skill.
I can't recall who said it, but some of the best advice I ever heard was that "people try to buy at the gun shop what they don't earn on the range." That applies to both sides of these kind of arguments.
aeonrevolution
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I remember reading that a kid killed two adults with a 22 caliber bullet a month or so ago.
Does that end the discussion on whether 9mm or 45 is needed?
Does that end the discussion on whether 9mm or 45 is needed?
anythingshiny
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buzz hit it square
"Should you get in a gunfight, it will be your gunfight"
There is NO WAY anyone..you, me, Gabe, or Lee Ermy can predict where, when, how, how many, what kind yada yada yada....people spend entire lifetimes mulling this ****e over and over...
Carry if you wanna carry. Carry what you can shoot well. Train as much as you feel you need to. or dont..
IF it happens, it will happen as fast or slow as it does...and you will react as you do. You will either live or die, regardless if you shoot or not.
I will carry mine and get as much training as I need, I may switch gun platforms, calibers and sights...several times. And nobody can tell me I am right or wrong...
I'll stick with "don't go to stupid places, with stupid people and do stupid things" as my mantra for now.
"Should you get in a gunfight, it will be your gunfight"
There is NO WAY anyone..you, me, Gabe, or Lee Ermy can predict where, when, how, how many, what kind yada yada yada....people spend entire lifetimes mulling this ****e over and over...
Carry if you wanna carry. Carry what you can shoot well. Train as much as you feel you need to. or dont..
IF it happens, it will happen as fast or slow as it does...and you will react as you do. You will either live or die, regardless if you shoot or not.
I will carry mine and get as much training as I need, I may switch gun platforms, calibers and sights...several times. And nobody can tell me I am right or wrong...
I'll stick with "don't go to stupid places, with stupid people and do stupid things" as my mantra for now.
I have to admit I only carry as much ordnance as convenient when off duty.
It ranges from a snubby jammed in a pocket to a P220 with a xtra magazine and cuffs that stay in my fanny pack. to a shoulder rig with two reloads and cuffs.
I tailor my carry habits to what I am doing and where I am going. But, I always have something with me when I am off my property.
It ranges from a snubby jammed in a pocket to a P220 with a xtra magazine and cuffs that stay in my fanny pack. to a shoulder rig with two reloads and cuffs.
I tailor my carry habits to what I am doing and where I am going. But, I always have something with me when I am off my property.
Capacity
I love 1911's and shoot them a lot. I own a Baer Monolith, A Springfield Loaded Stainless, and a Custom by 10X (perhaps over $8,000 worth of 1911's). However I carry a $500 Glock Model 23 with Glock Model 22 magazines. That makes the Model 23 a .40 caliber 16 round pistol in a package the same size as the compact 9mm Model 19. Capacity is one of the major reasons I carry the Glock. These particular 1911's have proven to be utterly reliable, as has the Glock. The Glock though is lighter to carry, has higher capacity (over twice the rounds in a single mag), is accurate enough (even with the lousy trigger) and a delight to carry. Also it shows wear to a lesser degree than any pistol I've owned. I still think the Model 23 is in the top 1/10 percent of combat/defense pistols ever made. Also think it the greatest bargain in the pistol world.
I love 1911's and shoot them a lot. I own a Baer Monolith, A Springfield Loaded Stainless, and a Custom by 10X (perhaps over $8,000 worth of 1911's). However I carry a $500 Glock Model 23 with Glock Model 22 magazines. That makes the Model 23 a .40 caliber 16 round pistol in a package the same size as the compact 9mm Model 19. Capacity is one of the major reasons I carry the Glock. These particular 1911's have proven to be utterly reliable, as has the Glock. The Glock though is lighter to carry, has higher capacity (over twice the rounds in a single mag), is accurate enough (even with the lousy trigger) and a delight to carry. Also it shows wear to a lesser degree than any pistol I've owned. I still think the Model 23 is in the top 1/10 percent of combat/defense pistols ever made. Also think it the greatest bargain in the pistol world.
I'll take a guess that if old Wild Bill was still around, and packed his .36 1851 era cap and ball revolvers, he would STILL be more lethal that half the self proclaimed "self defense experts" who write articles today, despite the modern, magnum power, high capacity plastic guns w/laser beam/lights on the rails and wicked looking hollowpoints that they profess to carry.
The weapon, be it a .45 1911A1, High capacity double action 9MM, Walther .380 PPK, AK-47 Assault rifle, or even an old fashioned, single shot black powder musket, is only as good as the man (or woman), behind it.
You either have the sand, or you don't.
The weapon, be it a .45 1911A1, High capacity double action 9MM, Walther .380 PPK, AK-47 Assault rifle, or even an old fashioned, single shot black powder musket, is only as good as the man (or woman), behind it.
You either have the sand, or you don't.
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I carry a 1911 and i love it ..granted it is a little heavy .. but i like the bigger caliber and the ergonomics of the 1911. it pretty much aims itself..also if i needed to draw it the look of the gun is extremely intimidating..compared to some of the subcompacts ..plus the smaller guns don't feel right in my hand.. and i hope no one encounters someone who can take 8 .45 slugs to the chest
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LanceOregon
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I'm a member of the school of thought that there is a good reason why the .40 S&W has come to dominate Law Enforcement sales so much as it has. But I know that some folks really find comfort in the .45 auto, and I respect that.
Just this past week one of our local County Sheriff Deputies used a .45 when he took on an enraged and extremely drunk man that was fighting with his relatives at their home, and who had also set fire to his car in a fit of anger. As the deputies approached, they found that he was in the process of trying to ignite a propane tank that was next to the home. When they yelled to him, he then pulled out a deer rifle, and aimed it at the deputies.
He was hit by two bean bag projectiles fired by the first deputy, but they had no effect. There was concern that the man was suicidal, so the deputies had approached with a non-lethal weapon at the ready. The 911 phone calls had made no mention that he was armed. A second deputy who was his backup saw that the man was armed, and he fired 5 shots from his .45 auto pistol, striking the man 3 times. One round hit the man in each of his two shoulders, and a third bullet struck his lower leg.
The drunk man fell to the ground, and was easily apprehended. As of yesterday, the man was still listed as being in serious condition at our local hospital, despite the fact that none of the 3 .45 bullets hit him in any vital area.
It is probably stories like this one that lead people to buy .45 caliber pistols. The officer had fired at night in a very dark rural area with no lights outside. So the lighting could not have been worse. And he had fired from a range of 20 yards.
Here is a link to a new story about this recent local law enforcement shooting:
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/4032760-35/story.csp
The man had no felony record too. He was simply jobless, homeless, broke, and alcoholic. And he finally lost it all and went nuts.
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Just this past week one of our local County Sheriff Deputies used a .45 when he took on an enraged and extremely drunk man that was fighting with his relatives at their home, and who had also set fire to his car in a fit of anger. As the deputies approached, they found that he was in the process of trying to ignite a propane tank that was next to the home. When they yelled to him, he then pulled out a deer rifle, and aimed it at the deputies.
He was hit by two bean bag projectiles fired by the first deputy, but they had no effect. There was concern that the man was suicidal, so the deputies had approached with a non-lethal weapon at the ready. The 911 phone calls had made no mention that he was armed. A second deputy who was his backup saw that the man was armed, and he fired 5 shots from his .45 auto pistol, striking the man 3 times. One round hit the man in each of his two shoulders, and a third bullet struck his lower leg.
The drunk man fell to the ground, and was easily apprehended. As of yesterday, the man was still listed as being in serious condition at our local hospital, despite the fact that none of the 3 .45 bullets hit him in any vital area.
It is probably stories like this one that lead people to buy .45 caliber pistols. The officer had fired at night in a very dark rural area with no lights outside. So the lighting could not have been worse. And he had fired from a range of 20 yards.
Here is a link to a new story about this recent local law enforcement shooting:
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/4032760-35/story.csp
The man had no felony record too. He was simply jobless, homeless, broke, and alcoholic. And he finally lost it all and went nuts.
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