Where have you been and what have you done?
Cant tell you, its double top secret probation classified, and I SWEAR we had nothing to do with that horse!
Unless youve cut 65, it aint cool to throw it around either.
If youve cut 85, you can tell me where you hid all the MP40, MP44, MG42, etc bring backs, and Ill give them the same loving care theyve had until now, when you go.
I wont post the quotes from the SWAT commander in that article, I'm sure if one's interested he/she will read the article.
Thanks for the link. Interesting read. Unfortunately, it seemed more like a sales pitch for Crimson Trace, than anything else. It did have points though, a lot of which were covered here.
I have actual urban combat experience and am currently in an instructional billet within the USMC, I know a thing or two about a gunfight. Everything you are bringing up has to do with a handgun fight at point blank range, and you are ignoring any other prospect. So I can say yes, I carried a carbine as my primary with both visible and IR lasers (it comes as one unit now, the visible and IR) but primarily used my EoTech, unless it was at night, then I shot with my IR laser. I did not have a laser on my sidearm.
Thats a little more enlightening. This is primarily a "handgun" discussion, but since red dots have been going on handguns too, it may help with some things too in comparison.
My personal feeling is, the red dot on the gun is more useful than the laser, at least in "most" cases, and for me the laser just adds confusion. Since you have used both together, and seem to prefer the red dot during the day over the laser, how about expanding on that.
Im assuming you use IR at night for what Id consider obvious reasons, and with NVG's, that dot is probably a lot easier to pick up and track regardless. Not much of that will apply here though.
Any idea as to why they dont issue the CT's for the M9's? Since they dont seem to mind spending our money for everything else, and if they are as good as claimed, you'd figure they'd be all over it. There was a link somewhere referring to them adding a rail to them for attaching "something", inferring a light and/or laser, but I think that would be backpedaling compared to the CT's, as the offset of the rail mounted lasers really adds tot the confusion, or at least it really did for me.
That being said, on one of my own personal pistols here in the states (An SP101) I put a pair of Crimson Trace grips on them and guess what... THEY HELP. But since you can't see past your own scenario, exactly what good would it do to say that? There is more to shooting than what you read. Try something every now and then, you'd be suprised.
"THEY HELP". Anything more expanded as to how, and specifically handgun related.
As far as the "try something" comment, thats what really needs done, and will solve a lot of this, but its not going to happen with those on both sides that need to see it. Some have some experience with it, both real and training, but most dont, so it just winds up back to static range, paper target, stand and shoot mentality and arguing.
The only way to get better at gunfighting, is to gunfight. For most people, even officers, this is never a common occurance in life. Every time you go to the range and practice, you are not training. There is no type of training that can purposely depict what you will go through in a shoot to live critical incident.
Thats right. But there are things readily available to us now that will get us in the mood, so to speak, and also help greatly in the discussion here. We can shoot/shoot at each other, and there is a penalty for screwing up, and it can be a painful reinforcement that your methods or toys might be lacking, just as much as they might be good. Again, short of putting the nay sayers on both sides, opposing each other in a number of realistic, or as realistic as possible scenarios, and let them prove it, this will go on for ever. Even if they prove it, it will go on forever.
