In this thread we advocate at least 10 round capacity

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QUOTE: "...Advocate whatever you like, carry whatever you like. Honestly what anyone carries is their business..."

Most of the threads on the forums encourage discussions of issues and that's why most of us engage. The op invited same. I don't think any poster has tried to force anyone to adopt their point of view and some of us, certainly myself, hope to learn a little something along the way. So what pistol some choose to carry and their reason(s) for doing so becomes other peoples' "businesses", if only by default.
 
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dgludwig QUOTE: "...Advocate whatever you like, carry whatever you like. Honestly what anyone carries is their business..."

Most of the threads on the forums encourage discussions of issues and that's why most of us engage. The op invited same.
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I disagree. The O/P has pretty much not encouraged discussion...

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Those that rationalize less still feel obligated to reply, predictable.
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CDW4ME In this thread people that rationalize less than 10 rounds hijack my thread advocating more.
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If someone has rationalized a pocket pistol as sufficient, me providing examples or logic contrary to their belief is likely a waste of my time.
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No disagreement tolerated...
 
Sometimes I carry my S&W model 69 44 magnum and a few speedloaders. I feel that the sheer violence of the 44 magnum makes up for a certain amount of capacity. And yes I can make nice follow up shots.
 
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"...Advocate whatever you like, carry whatever you like. Honestly what anyone carries is their business..."

Most of the threads on the forums encourage discussions of issues and that's why most of us engage. The op invited same. I don't think any poster has tried to force anyone to adopt their point of view and some of us, certainly myself, hope to learn a little something along the way. So what pistol some choose to carry and their reason(s) for doing so becomes other peoples' "businesses", if only by default.
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I think you need to read the OP's original post and his follow ups. he pretty much doesn't care what anyone has to say that doesn't buy into his minimum 10 round magazine viewpoint.

But let me add this, I don't advocate for anyone else to do anything. Carry what you want to, it impacts me absolutely zero. Similarly, what I carry impacts everyone else absolutely zero. Frankly, I would rather have fewer .45acp rounds than a ton of 9mm rounds. It always amazes me that people rave on about 9mm being very close to .45 acp in the imaginary stopping power debate but then have to carry a pistol that carries between 10 and 20 rounds and then one or 2 spare magazines. Why? If it is so close why do you need enough ammo to take down 2 football teams?
 
I think you need to read the OP's original post and his follow ups. he pretty much doesn't care what anyone has to say that doesn't buy into his minimum 10 round magazine viewpoint.
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You're right.
I admit in the initial post that many times the best I can do is a pocket pistol 9mm or 380.
If I am not restricted by work clothes, then I carry at least a Glock 19/23 size pistol with spare magazine along with the pocket pistol.

If I had started a thread that said, "In this thread we advocate carrying a revolver" I am confident that someone would post about how a semi is better, especially if I said, semi folks this thread is not for you. ;)
 
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especially if I said, semi folks this thread is not for you.
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It seems that you envision yourself as the "boss of the internet". What leads you to believe that you have any control over who posts on a forum not owned by you? :rolleyes:
 
The world has changed but the extreme scenarios that make the news are still very very rare. For the vast majority of people if you aren't involved with illegal drugs in any way, can leave other people's women/men alone and can stay off the streets alone in the middle of the night the chance of you being involved in any kind of violent encounter is pretty close to nil. Maybe that's not good enough for everybody (and I pity anyone that is that afraid of the world) but for me (and most people if they're honest) the reality is that I'm in more danger of being killed by a distracted/drunken driver on the way to the range or falling down the steps in my house than I am of ever being harmed by the stereotypical bad guy that apparently is waiting behind every corner for some people.

As far as gun capacity, it still comes down to what you 1) will carry consistently and 2) can shoot well. Non-LE people are not responsible for engaging every threat and LE doens't want you to unless there is no other option - CC is meant to provide personal protection and if the only gun you can CC consistently is a j-frame revolver that is what you use and with proper training it will probably be all you need. What you want to do is end the threat and part of that is being aware and staying out of problems and if that isn't enough being ready to get your butt out of there - the gun is a tool to enable you to do that, not a means to win every possible fight you can imagine. If a full-size service pistol works for someone, go ahead and carry it but not because you feel the danger to yourself has somehow increased to the point you feel you have it or you're dead. It's not that bad out there.
 
Seeker-two,

He isn't saying that it is. What he's saying is that he only limits himself to 7 rounds when absolutely necessary, when clothes don't allow him to wear a double stack.

Think about it, the two really aren't a comparison though. A 6-7 round pocket pistol is only for times when you can't carry a full size. But when carrying a 7-8 round 1911, you'd easily be able to carry a 15 round G19 instead and have double the amount of rounds, and less weight to boot. It's a win win. More ammo, less weight. There's no negatives of having more rounds with you.
 
It's not that bad out there.
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That really depends on where "there" is. While the risk of most of us ever needing a gun in a self-defense situation is small, the consequences of needing and not having are dire. There is no way of avoiding all situations where the danger of being attacked is well above "nil" unless you live in a fortress, and even that comes with its own risks.

I hear constantly from folks that, "It's not that bad out there" and I am better leaving my safety and the safety of my family to the professionals. Even if that were true, it disregards my right to protect myself from violent crime. I am not afraid of a bad guy behind every bush or around every corner. I am more afraid of people who think they know what is best for me.
 
I advocate for carrying whatever you like.

I do not advocate for living a life of discomfort, compromises, paranoia, and a "gun lifestyle" in general.
Repeatedly slicing-n-dicing the nuances of caliber, capacity and so on... then arguing about it?
Its all a huge waste of time and mental energy.
 
QUOTE: "... I am not afraid of a bad guy behind every bush or around every corner. I am more afraid of people who think they know what is best for me."

Well said and so very true. And on the other side of the coin, there are those who would have you believe that they don't care what you carry and that, likewise, you shouldn't care what they carry-and then go on to elaborate what they carry and why; as if anyone should care.

I'd like to think that these forums promote and encourage a free interchange of ideas without always stepping on each others egos (though, thanks to the dark side of human nature that each of us is cursed with, that's bound to happen from time to time). For the most part though, I think The Firing Line members benefit greatly from having a large number of informed and well-intentioned posters who bring much good to the table in terms of knowledge and expertise. I know I have benefitted from the much good advice I've received over the years and try to always keep an open mind along the way (though that's not always easy...:o).
 
It seems that you envision yourself as the "boss of the internet". What leads you to believe that you have any control over who posts on a forum not owned by you?
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That's funny and inaccurate.
I expect some of the people carrying low capacity will feel obligated to hijack my thread, may as well call it up front. ;)
 
I've always thought a thread was hijacked when the subject of the thread was not being discussed.

It's all been about mag capacity.. even though the thread title has the "advocate 10 rounds" in it.. it's still on the same subject.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Ok. If terrorists strike while I'm carrying my 6 shot GP100 357mag, I run for my life...
Now, if I happen to be carrying my 14 shot Beretta 84F 380acp, I go on the attack.
BTW, who is the royal "we" of the thread title?
 
Ok. If terrorists strike while I'm carrying my 6 shot GP100 357mag, I run for my life...
Now, if I happen to be carrying my 14 shot Beretta 84F 380acp, I go on the attack.
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Well maybe it depends on what the terrorists are using in their attack. If it's knives, as they often do now days, mag capacity might not be so important if you're a good shot.

If it's AK-47s then you still need to be a good shot no matter your mag capacity.

It's all about timing and aim and the all important circumstances.

A 7 round clip or a 12 round clip.. seems moot. Just my opinion.
 
If we need more than five rounds it is most certain we are dead.
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Nonsense. This is no more true that saying carrying 2 pistols, of any caliber, and 3 or 4 reloads will certainly assure survival. Our skill level, and the circumstances of the encounter will decide our fate. 5 rounds may be more than enough, or "a ton" of ammo may be few pounds short.
 
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