g.willikers
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I always preferred Youse instead of We.
More down to earth.
More down to earth.
In this thread we advocate at least 10 round capacity
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Nope. Your assumption is flawed,DA/SA.
Having a gun beats not having a gun.Single stacks can be easier to carry,so less likely left at home.
A gun with 20+ rounds loaded is heavier,too.
And if you are going to stand in one spot and shoot 20+rounds,some things are wrong.
I won't say its an absolute,anything can happen.But 7 or eight rounds of 45 will handle most situations.Multiple assailants? OK. If you are legitimately SD shooting at them,they have guns,too.While you are engaging target one,target two,like its a game,target three is shooting you.
You need to move to cover. A practiced mag change is really fast.
I'm not denying the advantage of mag capacity.
But I don't think it works to post a thread and outlaw opposition to your point of view.You just are not that correct
Having a gun beats not having a gun.Single stacks can be easier to carry,so less likely left at home.
A gun with 20+ rounds loaded is heavier,too.
And if you are going to stand in one spot and shoot 20+rounds,some things are wrong.
I won't say its an absolute,anything can happen.But 7 or eight rounds of 45 will handle most situations.Multiple assailants? OK. If you are legitimately SD shooting at them,they have guns,too.While you are engaging target one,target two,like its a game,target three is shooting you.
You need to move to cover. A practiced mag change is really fast.
I'm not denying the advantage of mag capacity.
But I don't think it works to post a thread and outlaw opposition to your point of view.You just are not that correct
jglsprings
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g.willikers
youse have a point there...
youse have a point there...
noonesshowmonkey
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Mrgunsngear said:
True enough. The only reason handguns are worth anything is that they are portable, concealable, compact, and light enough that we can have them with us at all times.
Otherwise, bring a long gun.
But, if you are going to carry a handgun, this begs the question of 'which one', which is answered by a series of justifications or reasons or principles to be expressed by your carrying it. Just asking someone, 'why do you carry a handgun' will generally net answers that, if those are truly the problems being solved, strongly advocate for capacity.
And, lets be real, with modern firearms and good holster/belt systems, you can wear a Glock 19 sized firearm in nearly any situation. It is a rare moment that demands a Glock 43 or other single stack sub compact.
So, when talking about non-sub compacts (ie not revolvers / pocket .380s), the best gun may be what you have on you, but what you have on you should probably be a high-cap (and probably a Glock 19).
Will Beararms
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Jihad is now on our soil. The rules have changed. You need to carry as many rounds as is practicable. The 9's and 40's are good options. My carry weapons are the M&P9, the Gen. 3, Glock 23 and the Gen. 4 Glock 22.
jglsprings
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Okay Will,
Now I have lots of friends, work associates that agree with that paradigm. And they make their choices accordingly.
Now here's the "but". They are not going to accept the premise that a person must prepare for the worst case scenario all the time. The majority of my students, trainees, people new to guns disagree with that view. And for them and their lifestyles they are correct. More likely they will encounter NOTHING in their everyday routine, ever.
That is their acceptable level of risk. Most of my clients are women that are trying to make a balanced decision on their perceived level of risk.
The second I start pushing "prepare for teotwawi", jihad on the doorstep, gangs are at the door to invade your home - they shut off all conversation and leave the weapon at home (or worse yet give up entirely on a weapon).
My philosophy is to get as many people who want to get a gun to make an informed decision about their needs, insist on proper training - not even from me - and responsible gun ownership. The details, carry, no carry, capacity, - all the things we grind on here - are up to them.
I just can't think that the absolutes that are thrown around on gun forums are accurate or useful advice. And I'm not just singling out Will in this thread. There a number of members that see it the same way Will does. That is their acceptable level of risk - but don't talk down to someone who disagrees with you. Especially on a subjective topic like this.
Now I have lots of friends, work associates that agree with that paradigm. And they make their choices accordingly.
Now here's the "but". They are not going to accept the premise that a person must prepare for the worst case scenario all the time. The majority of my students, trainees, people new to guns disagree with that view. And for them and their lifestyles they are correct. More likely they will encounter NOTHING in their everyday routine, ever.
That is their acceptable level of risk. Most of my clients are women that are trying to make a balanced decision on their perceived level of risk.
The second I start pushing "prepare for teotwawi", jihad on the doorstep, gangs are at the door to invade your home - they shut off all conversation and leave the weapon at home (or worse yet give up entirely on a weapon).
My philosophy is to get as many people who want to get a gun to make an informed decision about their needs, insist on proper training - not even from me - and responsible gun ownership. The details, carry, no carry, capacity, - all the things we grind on here - are up to them.
I just can't think that the absolutes that are thrown around on gun forums are accurate or useful advice. And I'm not just singling out Will in this thread. There a number of members that see it the same way Will does. That is their acceptable level of risk - but don't talk down to someone who disagrees with you. Especially on a subjective topic like this.
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Uncle Malice
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Sometimes P2000 w/ 20rd reload reload.
Sometimes VP9 w/ 20rd reload.
Sometimes P30L w/ 20rd reload
Sometimes Glock 26 w/ 19rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 19 w/ 19rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 30S w/ 15rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 43 w/ 8rd reload... I guess this one doesn't fit the bill.
Sometimes VP9 w/ 20rd reload.
Sometimes P30L w/ 20rd reload
Sometimes Glock 26 w/ 19rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 19 w/ 19rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 30S w/ 15rd reload.
Sometimes Glock 43 w/ 8rd reload... I guess this one doesn't fit the bill.
I'm ok with high cap and under circumstances am a big advocate, my problem is when applied as a hard and fast rule it doesn't always pan out
Just to play devils advocate with OP's choice a G21 only holds 13 rounds in a mag that takes up the same room as 2-8 round 1911/sig p220 mags I can easily carry 4 single stack mags in my back pocket, where as only 2 double stacks fit comfortably so with my 1911 I'll have 41 total rounds vs 37. This is the reason I gave up my USP 45. To go double stack I'd much rather go 40 or 9.
Just to play devils advocate with OP's choice a G21 only holds 13 rounds in a mag that takes up the same room as 2-8 round 1911/sig p220 mags I can easily carry 4 single stack mags in my back pocket, where as only 2 double stacks fit comfortably so with my 1911 I'll have 41 total rounds vs 37. This is the reason I gave up my USP 45. To go double stack I'd much rather go 40 or 9.
jglsprings
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It has been my experience that most women who are interested in carrying a weapon would disagree with you on nearly all of your points. (I hope PAX steps in and adds some insight, or corrects me if I'm off base). And, a large number of men who start out in agreement with you lose interest in carry guns because they are too heavy, to hot, uncomfortable, a hassle, etc.
Maybe not the audience here at The Firing Ling Forums, maybe here these are "generally accepted principles (sp?)". But in a wider audience I think they are an incorrect assumption.
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Just carrying a gun makes you better armed than 95% of the adult population who dont carry one. I usually carry handguns that have a capacity of between 6-8 rounds, because they are easy to carry, thus i always carry them.
As far as carrying a large capacity handgun in case of being involved in a terrorist attack, that scenario is highly unlikely for the overwhelming percentage of people who conceal carry. If it makes you feel better, then do it, but the attitude that those who dont carry high capacity handguns are somehow foolish is ridiculous.
Unlike most people here i have responded to two of the largest terrorist attacks in US history while they were in progress and the use of a gun never came into the equation.
As far as carrying a large capacity handgun in case of being involved in a terrorist attack, that scenario is highly unlikely for the overwhelming percentage of people who conceal carry. If it makes you feel better, then do it, but the attitude that those who dont carry high capacity handguns are somehow foolish is ridiculous.
Unlike most people here i have responded to two of the largest terrorist attacks in US history while they were in progress and the use of a gun never came into the equation.
Andy Griffith
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I always carry 12 rounds...
In a belt slide for my Contender.
Haven't found a SOB that quite works the way I like it, so I carry it appendix.
I'm getting asked on dates more often since carrying it...can't imagine why.
In a belt slide for my Contender.
Haven't found a SOB that quite works the way I like it, so I carry it appendix.
I'm getting asked on dates more often since carrying it...can't imagine why.
jglsprings
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Now that's funny. I don't care who you are!
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jglsprings
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Not at all. You committed to carry a full size. It works for you. You carry it. The Taurus is reliable for you.
That was THE correct choice for you and you are happy. Perfect solution!
Old Bill Dibble
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If we are going "Durka, durka ... Jihad" then that is a long gun fight. I'll need to get the trunk gun out. Don't think it will ever come to that in our little corner of nowhere.
I am not sure if the rules have changed that much. There were plenty of atheist crazed mass shooters in the US before we had religious based ones.
I understand the benefits of increased capacity. I switched from a revolver a few years back, and most commonly carry a Glock 26 with a 10-round mag installed and a 12-round mag in my pocket, and still some folks want me to think it isn't enough. Perhaps I am reading too much into it, but the opening premise seems to be that a 1911 doesn't carry enough ammo but that a 6+1 Glock 43 is acceptable. Still working on that one, myself, and I'm not even a 1911 guy.
QUOTE: "...As far as carrying a large capacity handgun in case of being involved in a terrorist attack, that scenario is highly unlikely for the overwhelming percentage of people who conceal carry. If it makes you feel better, then do it, but the attitude that those who dont carry high capacity handguns are somehow foolish is ridiculous..."
The trouble is, today, any scenario involving a gun-fight with anyone else for the overwhelming percentage of people who conceal carry "is highly unlikely". But the likelihood of something bad happening is different than the possibility of something bad happening. Which is why prudent people carry insurance for the unlikely possibility of their home catching on fire and why some prudent people try to prepare for the "unlikely" possibility of being involved in a terrorist attack.
Whether you like it or not, terrorism is getting closer and closer to the home hearth every day and, all too soon (and I pray not), it will be upon us.
The trouble is, today, any scenario involving a gun-fight with anyone else for the overwhelming percentage of people who conceal carry "is highly unlikely". But the likelihood of something bad happening is different than the possibility of something bad happening. Which is why prudent people carry insurance for the unlikely possibility of their home catching on fire and why some prudent people try to prepare for the "unlikely" possibility of being involved in a terrorist attack.
Whether you like it or not, terrorism is getting closer and closer to the home hearth every day and, all too soon (and I pray not), it will be upon us.
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