Immigration Threads on TFL.

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So being white and having a black man call me a cracker is ok. I see.
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If I thought a generic racism thread would go anywhere here, I might start one based on this. But suffice it to say that there is a world of difference between racial slurs being used by somebody in a position of power against somebody who is not and vice versa.

This does not mean that him calling you a cracker is "ok." But it still doesn't mean you have any idea how it feels when he's called the other.
 
So they are "more equal." And the white majority (which is going to be a minority in the near future) has to take being called "crackers," flour children," and "white trash" and not be able to take action. That seems like America to me. Being called a racial slur by someone who if I used a racial slur against would result in a racism lawsuit but to the liberal court systems my problem isn't the same because of the whole "slavery" issue, that the african americans were treated harshly by all slave owners. (even though not every single slave owner was a terrible "master" to their workers. It was culturally acceptable then and for the good "masters" the only thing that changes was that the slaves were paid sincesome of the freed slaves didn't feel the need to leave)
 
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So they are "more equal." And the white majority (which is going to be a minority in the near future) has to take being called "crackers," flour children," and "white trash" and not be able to take action. THat seems like America to me. Being called a racial slur by someone who is I used a racial slur against would result in a racism lawsuit but to the liberal court systems my problem isn't the same because of the whole "slavery" issue, that the african americans were treated harshly by all slave owners. (even though not every single slave owner was a terrible "master" to their workers. It was culturally acceptable then and for the good "masters" the only thing that changes was that the slaves were paid sincesome of the freed slaves didn't feel the need to leave)
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This does not mean that him calling you a cracker is "ok." But it still doesn't mean you have any idea how it feels when he's called the other.
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If you want to talk about the problem wherein a racial discrimination lawsuit by whites against some random minority wouldn't be taken as "seriously" as the other way around, I may end up agreeing with you. Much the same way I think the way the law treats rape of men differently than rape of women is a travesty. And so on.

But that wasn't my point. My point is that in general the feelings invoked when a majority (who is, theoretically, in a greater position of power) belittles a minority using racial slurs are going to be much different than when a minority tries the same.
 
Personally I think both are examples of people with poor imaginations

If you gotta fall back on ethnic slurs you really aren't ready to argue with the grownups :p
 
So being white and having a black man call me a cracker is ok. I see.
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Where do I begin... at any rate, there is a world of difference. If you can't see it, then we've got a long discussion ahead. A black man calling you a cracker carries just about the same weight as any other insult - fattie, baldie, a$$h___, whatever. You have every right to be offended.

But a white man calling a black man a n___, well,

"Is mass'ah gonna whip us? Oh no mass'ah, please!"

(personally, I prefer the term "honkey." It's so much funnier.):D
 
Okay, back to discussing immigration threads, we have a post from this thread...

Tennessee gives out DL to ileagles that have no ID. If you are a citizen, then you have to have an ID. They get started on a one year permit, not many questions asked. Nashville is over 24% Hispanic and growing.
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Okay, so we were talking about voter fraud, I believe...and I had brought up that in theory the registration/ID requirements should make it at least fairly difficult for illegals to vote and less likely to bother. Apparently TN gives out licenses to illegals, but from what I gathered from our DMV page MT requires proof of some kind of legal residency (IE citizenship, green card, whatever).

That's not why I'm quoting it here, though...that's just background.

What I really want to know is just what that last sentence has to do with anything. Are we assuming that a majority of Hispanics in Nashville are illegal (I'd be interested in seeing some data on that)? Are we assuming that it's their Hispanic-ness and not their legal status that's a bad thing? I mean, if 80%-90% of those Hispanics were here legally, is that still an issue in and of itself?

Basically, what do racial stats have to do with anything? I mean, there's not even an estimate of the actual illegal immigrant population there...just a statement of how many Hispanics there are. It may or may not be the case, but it sure makes it sound like their legal status is not what this poster has a problem with.
 
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What I really want to know is just what that last sentence has to do with anything.
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Amen. Not many would have caught that. It's always the stuff that few pick up on, and will always deny or claim naivety; that unconscious reaction to clutch on to your belongings a little tighter when you're riding the subway. Subtle, yet very, very telling.

Next thing you know, they'll be sending their kids to our kids' schools, then their kids will be try to interbreed with ours - gasp!

I can imagine the reply... "I was just trying to point out the growing threat. I'm not racist. Stop trying to play the race card." Colin Powell is so well-spoken. Tiger Woods is doing so much for the sport of golf.

Yes, it's technically a crime, and yes, our economic and political systems can't confront or handle it adequately, but they just want to live better. And maybe get real fat on American Pie.
 
Tennessee gives out DL to ileagles that have no ID. If you are a citizen, then you have to have an ID. They get started on a one year permit, not many questions asked. Nashville is over 24% Hispanic and growing.
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Well I am back just to make one comment.

JuanCarlos

I would not like to have done to me what you are doing here. You are linking a quote from a member and inferring that the last sentence is racist. Maybe you are correct, I for one do not know. But I think you should post your complaint in the original thread so that person has a chance to respond. You have already drawn your conclusions about the 24% Hispanic statement as if it is a done deal...for sure racist. Personally, I would have worded the last sentence differently, but I sure as heck would not want someone posting my quotes in another thread implying they are racist without having a chance to respond.

I only read you challenge the 24%...not saying there that it implies racism. Not trying to stand up for that guy, I am sure he can answer own his own. If it was me I sure would want the chance.
 
Fair enough. I'll PM him. My goal was to avoid derailing that thread further to explore the topic, since I figured it was more appropriate here. I'll direct him to this thread if he wants to defend his comment.

Over there I felt it was more appropriate to question the veracity of his comment, rather than the intent. Both are suspect, far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: PM'd Double J.
 
... Then on the other hand, you folks are providing me with some sterling examples of why these threads should just be closed on sight....
 
You have already drawn your conclusions about the 24% Hispanic statement as if it is a done deal...for sure racist
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Given the chance to reply, I bet you anything, that person will not only deny the racism charge, but will actually believe it in his heart that he's not racist as well. It's a harbored prejudice that's not realized. refer back to my long-winded rant, #51.

Personally, I would have worded the last sentence differently
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No, I don't think there's any other way to word it.

An analogy off the top of my head: you know how hippie protestors are always complaining about how greedy immoral corporations are destroying the environment? When you really look at what they're saying, it turns out that they're not actually all that concerned with saving the environment: they're just against capitalism.

It's been done a million times before, and will still continue to work: "Excuse me, would you like to sign this petition? It's a proposal to ban dihydrogen monoxide, an industrial chemical used by corporations all over the U.S. This chemical gets released into the air we breathe and the food we eat; it causes excessive urination, sweating, and wrinkling of the fingertips."

So, are you for saving America, or do you just dislike foreigners?

"Freedom Fries," anyone?
 
Not to change the topic, but I'd like to talk about what should be done about the immigration threads here :rolleyes:

Other than terrorism, immigration is probably THE most pressing issue of the times. As such, its both silly at in some ways irresponsible to not discuss it. Thus a complete ban isn't an answer.

As for what is I don't know. I'm not a moderator and I don't pretend to be. However I did stay at a holiday in express last night, and because of that, I think that people who post things that reak of the maturity of a 5 year old should be treated likewise.

Its not cut and dry, its not black and white, but I have absolute faith that Antipitas will do his best Potter Stewart and deal with things accordingly.
 
After seeing all this, I think the community has failed the test. For my 2 cents, this has convinced me that users aren't able to talk about this without degenerating into ludicrous comments about race.
 
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of [racist] material but I know it when I see it. After all, swift justice demands more than just swiftness.

Thank you STAGE 2. I'm flattered. I think.... :rolleyes: ;) :cool:
 
Can't the admin just remove the post? I've been to a couple other boards where the admin has edited the content of some posts (Names are not allowed and have been removed in some posts)
 
WeedWacker, if we can catch it shortly after it has been posted, why yes. We can and do edit/modify or remove the offending post.

But if it was posted and responded to (sometimes - manytimes numerous times) it just makes more sense to close the entire thread. In some cases, the entire thread is removed.

What good does it do to edit or delete a post that has been seen by hundreds and responded to by many?
 
Still say nay to immigration threads. Too polarizing and a topic that some are too passionate about.

It's not like threads about S&W v. Ruger, where you'll probably win either way, or agree to disagree. There will always be that one or five people royally pissed off at the end of a closed immigration thread, who'll say something they really should have kept to themselves.

It's not a PC thing; I just never quite felt comfortable with any divisive issue discussed on any online environment. They usually don't amount to much, because majority opinion and the middle ground are often mere whispers.

Next thing you know, we'll be talking about how the SCOTUS is gonna handle abortion. And the the discussion will be discussed by mostly men, of course. Just like how the discussion over immigration is discussed mostly by native-borns (for generations).

I can start that beast... I feel that since God didn't equip us with baby ovens, we have no right to say anything.
 
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