True. Of course (let_them_come_legally + tax_them_like_everybody_else = lower_taxes), but nobody seems to consider that. We keep complaining that there aren't enough young workers to pay the baby-boomers' SS checks...the answer could lie just to the south of us.
The illegals that are already here don't want to pay taxes, & be legal. You see if they were legally employed, then they would have to pay taxes like the rest of us, & pay for health insurance, instead of running to the ER for every little problem. Gosh they also might have to get auto insurance too!!!!
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At this rate everyone will want to be an undertaker at the sheer volume of bodies that will show up in a couple decades
I'd not be surprised to find out this kind of rhetoric was used with every immigrant wave. Did that sheer volume of bodies ever show up?
EDIT: While I'm at it...
There are two questions that generally come to mind for me whenever this debate comes up, and I've yet to see a particularly satisfying answer for either of them.
A) What exactly is this "American culture" they're failing to assimilate to? Bald eagles, Toby Keith, and NASCAR? American Idol and rap music? Apple pie? There is no American culture, really...that's part of the point of America, or at least it used to be.
( The American culture you speak of is made up of all walks of people, but they are proud to be American. They don't run through the streets with a foreign flag making threats to the people who live in that country!!) We were a nation of immigrants from around the globe, and you were free to dress how you want, decorate your house how you want, worship what you wanted to, and generally free to keep whatever culture you wanted provided you weren't infringing on somebody else's basic rights. You could even *gasp* speak whatever language you wanted to.
(Germans, Russians, Polish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese just to name a few came to this country & *gasp* learned English, They did not expect the USA to change to them) Obviously some cultures had/have more influence on the country as a whole (the reason most of us speak English as a primary language, and almost all of us speak it as at least a secondary language), but in general there was no specific culture you had to adopt to be considered an "American."
As far as learning English goes (which seems to be the "lack of assimilation" that bothers most of us), that takes time. Sometimes it takes a generation. Yeah, it's easy for a 30-something white guy to spout off that "if I wanted to move to Japan I'd learn Japanese, dang it!" Then again, it's widely accepted that the older you are, the harder it is to learn a second language...so I guess that 30-something guy should consider himself lucky that, at the age of 30, he has no real need or incentive to move to Japan. Because it's possible at this point that he'd never learn their language to a standard that they'd find acceptable, or "assimilated." Especially if he was simultaneously working two jobs busing tables trying to pay for a dingy apartment. A large portion of immigrants back in the day never bothered to learn English, either...and most of those that did never learned much. I'm pretty sure my ancestors on the side that came from a non-English-speaking country (Russia) didn't. So is there some reason we hold modern immigrants to a higher standard? Why we want them to learn English right now, rather than wait for their kids to learn it like we did with previous waves from non-English-speaking countries?
Okay, so (A) was really two questions.
B) What is so heinous about Mexican culture that seeing our society influenced by it is an objectively bad thing? Yes, there are aspects of their culture I don't care for...then again, some of those same aspects (and many that are just as bad) are shared by black culture, southern white culture, rural white culture, urban white culture, chinese culture, arab culture...well, pretty much any culture that isn't mine...and the ones that are. Heck, I can't think of any reason the Spanish language is objectively worse than English, except that I don't particularly care for having to worry about the gender of inanimate objects...that, and the fact that I can't speak it worth a darn, which I think is the real issue for most people (and a fair one, I suppose).
Is it just that their culture is different from ours/yours? I suspect it's the number of them that's the real issue...you've basically got a bunch of white people that are in very real danger of becoming not just the minority (as in, no longer a solid majority) but rather a minority (as in, there is another race with more people). And I think it scares the crap out of them.
(No, it's the fact that we have a gross influx of people who have a 3rd. grade education at most, & probably have never had any sort of Immunization. Also, they're all not here to do "the work Americans don't want to do", that's the biggest line of BS ever. Answer me this, why is 66% of Felony convicts in California, Illegal aliens?? The last I heard there were 80,000 gang members of Hispanic origin in LA county alone, & 45-50% of those were Illegal!! Below I have posted some URLs from different cities around the country of the top 10 most wanted.....Does the gang MS-13 mean anything to you????
http://www.opd.ci.omaha.ne.us/Programs/CS/CS/
http://www.dallaspolice.net/index.cfm?page_ID=5504
http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/display/router.asp?docid=4738
http://www.miamibeachfl.gov/mbpolice/Top Ten/JAN 2007 TEN MOST WANTED.pdf
http://www.ncsbi.gov/crime/crime_mostwanted.jsp
http://www.sfgov.org/site/police_index.asp?id=21659
http://www.fortworthpd.com/pdf files/MW 02-14-07.pdf
http://www.atf.treas.gov/wanted/index.htm
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/wanted/
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/fugitives/chicago/chi-list.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fo/epwanted.htm
http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted
These are not just from border states either, they're are from all over our country!!
Oh, and I don't care to hear any responses regarding "they're breaking the law," for two reasons. One, I'm betting the number of posters here who have never broken a law can be counted on one hand. If it's not actually zero. Two (and more importantly), what I'm discussing is the idea of changing the law, so using the current law as an argument isn't going to do a lot of good.
( So, since we can't seem to stop illegal drugs, should we then just shrug our shoulders & say Oh well!!!)Basically I think we should raise the number of Mexicans allowed to come up and work legally dramatically. And before anybody responds with the classic "I'm all for raising the quotas, but we need to secure our border too," save it. It's almost always lip service at best...it basically amounts to "yeah, we'll do that quota raising thing....sure....but for right now let's work on building a wall." Yeah, right. If you were honestly open to the idea of raising quotas in addition to border security, you'd raise the quotas first. You know why? Because by reducing the incentive to cross the border illegally, you'd actually make securing the border easier by doing so. It's the logical first step, assuming you're actually open to the idea.
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