I'm SO SICK of this illegal alien situation!
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WeedWacker
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+1 to the above (I am a 6th gen as well albeit a much younger one 
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)Our Government looked the other way for well over thirty years, still doing the same. Maybe somebody is hot for the prospective votes? Its so far out of control that I see nothing positive taking place at this late date. If anybody but toadie politicians in DC and our State Capitols had any power it might be slowed or even stopped.
Mexico's traditional lack of birth control has done more to beat down the US that they could have in a thousand years with rifles, bayonets, and cannon....
Perhaps invade, defeat the Mexicans and Annex them as the next state and call them Americans? I don't think that will ever happen, too many war protesters.
Mexico's traditional lack of birth control has done more to beat down the US that they could have in a thousand years with rifles, bayonets, and cannon....
Perhaps invade, defeat the Mexicans and Annex them as the next state and call them Americans? I don't think that will ever happen, too many war protesters.
Limeyfellow
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From my experience as a native English speaker I would say half the people I know don't even speak english. Its some strange mountain language that has more in common with gibberish. I in particular find it amusing when you have the likes of people in Philidelphia talking that awful nonsense slang complaining about people not speaking English. I understand those speaking in Spanish better at times.
Of course they said the same about the Irish when they came to the US in the past. Dirty paddys who committed all the crime, were drunk and scrounged off good honest folks I believe the description was. The same was done about German settlers, Asian settlers and just about anyone else who is different.
kennybs plbg
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Yes, but then they learned the English language and became American Citizens. They didn't expect their new country to learn their language and adapt to their customs. They made a commitment, furthered their education, becoming prosperous and successful. This was known as the American dream.
kenny b
Regardless, don't DISRESPECT our laws by breaking them.
If the present law takes 15 yrs, than so be it until it changes.
I'll try again so you get it....MOST people will respect something more if they had to put out some work and effort to attain it.
That is, if you have any self respect and standards to begin with.
I don't have to validate my feelings about illegal immigration to anyone.
I live by our laws.
They do not just by BEING here.
That's encouraging.
You're reading it right now!
It's always be considered our national language until people like yourself started to question it.
In a place like Puerto Rico, of course the main language is Spanish, so that should be the official language there.
What bubble? The above quote is where we agree.
I'm the one who added this....
I could care less if we agree or not!
Again, the attitude that the private citizen has no responsibility to help uphold the laws of this country.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for every law breaker to be apprehended.
If everyone did something, if only report a crime, PERHAPS we could reduce the number of offenses across the board in every area of crime.
I guess you'd rent a room to a child molester, even though you've seen the "Wanted" posters around town, because he was able to evade the authorities.
"Hey, the cops didn't catch him, too bad! I need to rent that room!"
So much for civic responsibility.
Pretty selfish I think.
Yeah, if you're caught, you should be fined for hiring an illegal to plant your tree.
In reality, few people would ask for papers in THAT scenario.
When I had my roof put up 3 yrs ago, I told the foreman if the $17,000 job means anything to him, he'd better have all LEGAL workers on the job.
I also told him I will want to see verification of some sort, of their status.
First day I asked if he had the papers and he said yes.
I just looked at him for a moment.
I didn't check.
And perhaps there were a couple of illegals there.
But at least I made it clear what I wanted, and I doubt they were willing to lose the job.
Next job, I will check.
If anyone KNOWINGLY hires an illegal, there should be some action taken against that person.
That illegal has broken the law, regardless if you think it's a just law or not.
You are aiding that person by hiring him/her.
You're "It's not MY responsibility" attitude greatly contributes to social decay.
Jeez! Why do I really doubt that?
This is pathetic!
The MAJORITY speaks English. We don't just "happen" to speak it!
It is the language our founders used because IT WAS THEIR LANGUAGE.
And it has been the main language of this country ever since.
You keep trying to minimize the fact that English in America, like our currancy, is a unifying factor.
Are we going to start shouting orders in the military in different languages?
No matter where you are from or what language you speak, we all reach common ground by speaking English.
Why is this so difficult for you?
DonR101395
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JC your reading ability isn't very good. I didn't say English only or spanish only signs. What I was referring to were the Spanish signs with English sub-titles. BTW the official language of Pakistan is English and it required to be taught in school.
You're wrong, I called you wrong in the post.
Uummm...........you're wrong once again. Not wanting illegal immigrants in the country has nothing to do with race, it has to do with them being criminals, it has to do with them wanting the protections of our laws and the benefits of our country even though they are criminals. Everyone of them who has crossed the border illegally is a criminal. If you can't understand that, not only are you a leftist and politically correct, but you're stupid as well. You see, I won't use the thinly veiled way in which you chose to call me racist to call you stupid, I'll just do it.
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I think I see Juan Carlos problem, here is a quote from him, The worst part in RED:
B) "What is so heinous about Mexican culture that seeing our society influenced by it is an objectively bad thing? Yes, there are aspects of their culture I don't care for...then again, some of those same aspects (and many that are just as bad) are shared by black culture, southern white culture, rural white culture, urban white culture, chinese culture, arab culture...well, pretty much any culture that isn't mine."
You really don't like anything about whites or their culture. You mentioned the "white culture" 3 different times, I believe that could be construed as a racist statement!!!
B) "What is so heinous about Mexican culture that seeing our society influenced by it is an objectively bad thing? Yes, there are aspects of their culture I don't care for...then again, some of those same aspects (and many that are just as bad) are shared by black culture, southern white culture, rural white culture, urban white culture, chinese culture, arab culture...well, pretty much any culture that isn't mine."
You really don't like anything about whites or their culture. You mentioned the "white culture" 3 different times, I believe that could be construed as a racist statement!!!
What exactly are y'all fixin to do?
Here are some options:
(1) Put up a big fence, add in cameras supplemented by armed guards
(2) Fix Social Security office to implement better protection from false documents (i.e. a little blue card is trivial to fake, and employers don't have a simple way to validate authenticity)
(3) Require everyone over the age of 10 to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, and they must be surrendered upon demand. We can either use passports of a national ID card or tie in all DMV's together
(4) Pass a law making English the national language
Any others? Feel free to add in possible courses of action.
(1) seems a little too expensive (one of the reasons the GOP controlled congress voted for a fence, but voted against funding it) and still wouldn't stop people on work visas or student visas from simply not leaving (hey, they even speak English!)
(3) Seems like a ripe situation for abuse. National ID programs inherently have databases tied in to each other.
(2) Seems like the best bet. But I'm not sure that it wouldn't turn into (3)
(4) seems like it wouldn't do anything.. Maybe if all the illegal aliens spoke English you'd all feel better?
And here's the crux: If my neighbor spoke perfect english, had me over for BBQ's, worked for a local defense contractor as a safety inpector, is a UCLA alumnus, and had a son fighting in Iraq, would I have any reason to be suspicious that he was an illegal alien? How again is this NOT a war against brown people?
Here are some options:
(1) Put up a big fence, add in cameras supplemented by armed guards
(2) Fix Social Security office to implement better protection from false documents (i.e. a little blue card is trivial to fake, and employers don't have a simple way to validate authenticity)
(3) Require everyone over the age of 10 to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, and they must be surrendered upon demand. We can either use passports of a national ID card or tie in all DMV's together
(4) Pass a law making English the national language
Any others? Feel free to add in possible courses of action.
(1) seems a little too expensive (one of the reasons the GOP controlled congress voted for a fence, but voted against funding it) and still wouldn't stop people on work visas or student visas from simply not leaving (hey, they even speak English!)
(3) Seems like a ripe situation for abuse. National ID programs inherently have databases tied in to each other.
(2) Seems like the best bet. But I'm not sure that it wouldn't turn into (3)
(4) seems like it wouldn't do anything.. Maybe if all the illegal aliens spoke English you'd all feel better?
And here's the crux: If my neighbor spoke perfect english, had me over for BBQ's, worked for a local defense contractor as a safety inpector, is a UCLA alumnus, and had a son fighting in Iraq, would I have any reason to be suspicious that he was an illegal alien? How again is this NOT a war against brown people?
DonR101395
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SecDef,
In case you haven't noticed, the southern border is Mexico, the people there are brown skinned, they are the ones who seem to be coming across and filling up our jails, using our health care for free and wanting special treatment. I have yet to see, read or hear of Canadians flooding our jails and hospitals or asking for signs to be put up in Walmart in the French part of Kansas. You guys want to make it about race because it makes you feel good that you're doing something for an "impoverished" people. I want those "impoverished" people to come here legally, if they can't do that I don't want them here. It's not racist, it's common sense.
In case you haven't noticed, the southern border is Mexico, the people there are brown skinned, they are the ones who seem to be coming across and filling up our jails, using our health care for free and wanting special treatment. I have yet to see, read or hear of Canadians flooding our jails and hospitals or asking for signs to be put up in Walmart in the French part of Kansas. You guys want to make it about race because it makes you feel good that you're doing something for an "impoverished" people. I want those "impoverished" people to come here legally, if they can't do that I don't want them here. It's not racist, it's common sense.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the statistics quoted above regarding number of illegal aliens in our jails represented any particular group. What does special treatment mean? Are they getting 20% off coupons at Hardees? Or are you referring to americans that are brown that get harassed for no other reason than their skin color.
A) There are some areas with enough LEGAL aliens, and Americans that speak different languages that it is a perfectly valid business decision. Should they choose to make it.
B) Have you ever been to French Speaking Louisiana?
You first sentence is way off base. You know nothing about me. I'll pretend it wasn't said.
Why do think all illegal aliens are impoverished?
You are saying that illegal aliens are Mexican and poor. My last post said that if your illegal alien neighbor was neither Mexican nor poor, you wouldn't have a problem. You DON'T seem to have a problem with him, as all you care about is the prisons being filled, abuse of the health care system, and signs in different languages. AND you attribute this problem to a single group, which does not represent all.
It's when you put broad generalizations on groups that these ugly words get applied to you.
Feel free to reply to the first part of my previous post. I would like to hear some actual courses of action.
SecDef,
I don't recall anyone saying that ALL illegals are Mexican.
This thread IS NOT about Mexicans.
It's about people coming here ILLEGALLY.
It's that simple.
Don't turn this into a racial issue because, at least for me, it has nothing whatsoever top do with race.
In todays world, no country, especially the USA, should have thousands of people just meandering across it's borders and melting away into our society.
You have to be an idiot to disagree with that!
Or just not give a darn about this country.
You really aren't disputing the fact that the vast majority of illegals here are from either Mexico or somewhere in Latin America, and on the low rung of the economic ladder, are you?
I don't recall anyone saying that ALL illegals are Mexican.
This thread IS NOT about Mexicans.
It's about people coming here ILLEGALLY.
It's that simple.
Don't turn this into a racial issue because, at least for me, it has nothing whatsoever top do with race.
In todays world, no country, especially the USA, should have thousands of people just meandering across it's borders and melting away into our society.
You have to be an idiot to disagree with that!
Or just not give a darn about this country.
DonR101395
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I didn't reply to the first part of your previous post because it's ridiculous and not what is currently happening.
Care to make a wager on what country the majority of the illegal aliens in jail are from.
Special treatment means harassing schools into paying for extra staff to educate their kids even though they pay no taxes and therefore do not pay those teachers salary.
Getting harassed for no other reason than they are criminals, they entered the country illegally, that is a crime. Oh yea, I forgot we're supposed to make it easy for them.
Would you tolerate them breaking into your house and living their? That is essentially what they are doing when they break into our country.
There is a large legal Greek population where I live. I have yet to see Greek signs. The closest you'll find is a restaurant with the menu in English with Greek sub-titles. There is also a large Korean, Thai, and Filipino. All four groups have a larger populations than the Mexican, yet the only signs that are bi-lingual are in Spanish. The other four groups opened businesses learned English and became productive citizens.
You're correct, I know nothing about you and it was a general comment to the liberal mindset.
If they weren't impoverished they wouldn't come here to "make a better life for themselves." If things were great where they came from they would stay there.
That is an unrealistic scenario, it is not the norm and it is definitely not the case.
You're right, I'm tired of paying to feed, house and give health care to criminals. This problem is created primarily by one group of people illegal Mexican immigrants. It's not racist, it factual. I have no sympathy or empathy for illegal aliens of any nation.
That's what I what I would like to see changed. That's the crux of my argument. Again, your parents had a much easier time getting here than folks do today. There is no reason to require anymore than a clean background check and clean blood panel to enter the country.
Excuse me? First of all, as I've pointed out to you English is not our national language. The language you and I speak and are typing in is called American English. It is a distinct language from the one the founding fathers spoke. You may consider that semantics but it does solidify the point that language evolves and regardless of who speaks what today I have zero problem with ours contiuing to evolve.
You're making the wrong analogy. It's more like renting a room to a guy but first requiring him to submit to a background check and drug test. The point is that I don't have to assume a guy is illegal just because he can't speak english. PLENTY of perfectly legal immigrants, residents and visitors don't speak a word of english (sorry, american english
). In your opinion.
Because your'e reading what you want, not what I'm actually putting down.
Do you follow every law to the letter?
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DonR101395
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Looks like you and JC went to the same school.
You laid out a scenario of a rich, English speaking, white guy, illegal alien and that is what I said was ridiculous.
You sir, are so enraged that someone won't accept criminal behavior as a normal part of life that you can't read what is written, but what you want it to say. A real genius in your own right.
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