Illegal Aliens rallying across US today
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Rangefinder
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A pleasant conversation with someone from somewhere else can be fun. A chimichanga for dinner every once in a while is nice. 12 million illegal immigrants and rising rapidly---that is neither. It's alarming.
My family roots in this country preceed this country itself by a fair margine--as in mid 1600's. My family has shed blood in every war this country has ever fought and was among the very backbone this country was built on. WHY should I just suddenly decide to share with those who think they have earned anything this country has to offer simply by sneaking across the border? Should I just shrug and say "awe, they're just misunderstood--they're really nice people and fun to be around..." while they're spitting on the flag we fly, thumbing their noses at the rest of us as they yank down our flag and replace it with their own for their little demonstrations? WHY in the hell should I even CONSIDER sharing with them? You want me to share my house and car too? Maybe I should pass out a debit card for my bank account so they can have it a little easier, too. No thank you--I have no interest in sharing with people who have no respect for the ground they're treading upon, the people who cultivated it, or what it represents. What part of illegal do you NOT understand??
UH1-D Rotorhead
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You will never know Doug (attach wink here).
JuanCarlos
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The European portion of my family only came over in the 1800's (the native portion obviously goes back much farther...but that's a small portion). I believe my direct ancestors have only fought in Korea, Vietnam, some SF operations, and of course my service in Iraq. Am I somehow less of an American, or less worthy? How are such things quantified? How much weight is given to years in country, wars fought, etc?
The funny thing is that your ancestors were probably saying much the same about my ancestors back in the 19th century...except replace "sneak across the border" with "get on a boat."
Perhaps if we offered them citizenship, or at least legal status, their attitude would change.
Wow. This hyperbole goes to 11.
The part where I don't think it should be.
Thunderhawk88
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Must be an easy thing to say from MD. Come to LA for a spell. See how many Emergency Rooms have been closed, and what the wait is like in the rest. Or go listen to the rallys where they speak of taking the S/W US back, and chasing the "white man" out. Some even call for open fighting to take over.
See what the lines are like at the Social Services offices....seems like we share quite a bit there!
Rangefinder
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Legal means of citizenship already exist. Their ignoring it and going around it for the purpose of quicker, easier access to the privilages afforder to those who do it legally is a blatent disregard for the country itself AND the people who are here legally. I have no sympathy for that.
The point is that the privilages of this country have been paid for by a lot of people who believed in what this country represents enough to die for those principles. Sneaking across the border and just taking whatever they "think" they have a right to without any responsibility to this country or its people is not what I would call earning the right to be here.
When my insurance goes up because of the continual rise of uninsured drivers (parallel to the rise of IA's in my region), it has an effect. When my property value takes a dive because the adjacent land was developed for subsidized/low-income rentals occupied primarily by immigrants--many of whom are illegal (many of whom also have a brand-new pickup on 20" rims or the like in the driveway) it has an effect. When at least one out of every 10 people I know have had problems with identity theft (everything from a cell phone they never had to complete credit destruction)--quite a few of which were tracked back to an illegal immigrant, it has an effect. The effect is not hyperbol in the least.
Sorry--but where I'm from, we EARN our way... Not move in uninvited, take what we want, then demand more just because we've already managed to get in the door.
Rangefinder
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Excuse me?
Illegal Aliens dohave certain right here.
They have the right to remain silent. Anything they say can and will be used against them. They ...
They have rights as far as being a human being has rights. They have the right not to be tortured, illegally detained without due process, etc. They have the basic inalienable rights as humans. They do not have any of the rights of our AMERICAN constitution. They do not have the right of free speech, the right to bear arms, NOR VOTE!!!
And for the people who say it's a violation of their rights to arrest them, YOU'RE WRONG! They're here ILLEGALLY (key word there) and as criminals, they should be arrested.
They have the right to remain silent. Anything they say can and will be used against them. They ...
They have rights as far as being a human being has rights. They have the right not to be tortured, illegally detained without due process, etc. They have the basic inalienable rights as humans. They do not have any of the rights of our AMERICAN constitution. They do not have the right of free speech, the right to bear arms, NOR VOTE!!!
And for the people who say it's a violation of their rights to arrest them, YOU'RE WRONG! They're here ILLEGALLY (key word there) and as criminals, they should be arrested.
JuanCarlos
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Taking into account the number of people who want to come here and the number we allow per year...no. A majority of these people would never be able to come here and work legally. They ignore the legal immigration system as a means of getting here for the same reason I ignore the lottery as a means of getting rich.
Rangefinder
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Yup, sure do. Have a little of that flowing through the veins, too. So yes, I'm from the US in that sense as well. I also remember once upon a time before the California gold rush that a large portion of the area was occupied by "Californios," and a part of Mexico. So what? Would you like to revisit the last 400 years of this continent's history so the decendants of someone who might have been around then can have everything we've accomplished since then?
having an interest in history, yes I would like to revist the last 400 years. but thats not the point. your not a fool and I dont have to explain to you how americans came to "earn" this land. my point is that instead of treating them as lowly illegal immigrants we should treat them as people.
Rangefinder
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Considering those numbers are in place to maintain some resemblance of control over who is coming and going... Maybe there is a reason we don't want an open-house free-for-all at our borders? Perhaps there is a reason they don't seem to think they have to follow the rules like everyone else. Ever worked crowd control? Without some controls over the flow, it's pure chaos. The number limitations on legal immigration serve that same purpose--to control the flow.
Yes, they are people--I'm not denying that or indicating otherwise. But I am not going to sit idle and quiet while those people trample over everything I work for and believe in. The numbers are out of control, and I have no desire to move over and make room just because they keep shoving in. There are ways to come here. Are they perfect? No--nothing in government ever is. But that does not justify tossing the whole thing into the round file and saying "ok, you're here--you can be an American now." No--I'm not accepting that as an answer.
Scott Conklin
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Scott Conklin
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That's nice. Now, maybe you'd like to go back and actually THINK, instead of feel.
The US (nor any nation) can not accept an undefined and continuous number of aliens without regulation. There is NOT enough "America to go around". That claim is absurd and niave. All resources from jobs to fuel to goods are finite. The reality is everything operates in balance and our balance, economic and social, in this nation has been precarious for a couple generations. Too much taxation, too many programs, too much pork, etc...
Now you and yours want to extend a free pass to anyone that wants to wander in, utilize services, ship out earnings, etc. You can't actually explain how this equation is supposed to work nor can you tell us why you hold such positions. But everyone is just supposed to "see it your way". Sorry, no. We have a problem. The problem is the criminals coming across the border. Something IS going to happen. Our government will deal with it. We will deal with it. The Illegals will effectively take over certain areas. Some variant of one or more of those WILL happen.
What will NOT happen is indefinite business as usual. Get used to it.
The US (nor any nation) can not accept an undefined and continuous number of aliens without regulation. There is NOT enough "America to go around". That claim is absurd and niave. All resources from jobs to fuel to goods are finite. The reality is everything operates in balance and our balance, economic and social, in this nation has been precarious for a couple generations. Too much taxation, too many programs, too much pork, etc...
Now you and yours want to extend a free pass to anyone that wants to wander in, utilize services, ship out earnings, etc. You can't actually explain how this equation is supposed to work nor can you tell us why you hold such positions. But everyone is just supposed to "see it your way". Sorry, no. We have a problem. The problem is the criminals coming across the border. Something IS going to happen. Our government will deal with it. We will deal with it. The Illegals will effectively take over certain areas. Some variant of one or more of those WILL happen.
What will NOT happen is indefinite business as usual. Get used to it.
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