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I was "fake" robbed yesterday
- Thread starter GalilARM
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All very good advice
I say that I scan for a minute while smoking just to give me a few more minutes to look around. I am rarely in parking garages or poorly lit lots, I am sure the smoke would wait in those situations. I always approach my vehicle with 2 keys ready in hand, door key and gun lock key. I can open the driver's door and have my weapon in a few seconds. I realize this is not perfect, as there is no perfect way. I hope to continue supporting those who lobby for more intelligent and helpful carry policies. That, to me, seems to be the only way to rectify the problem in a parking lot.
Parking lots are potentially very very dangerous and I never make it a plan to spend more time in one more than I have to, and if I have to, I keep my eyes peeled. As you walk to your car make sure you scan around for potential scumbags. And like others have said, the first thing you do after getting into your car, you LOCK YOUR DOORS. Then quickly get the car started and get out of that parking lot not spending more time there than you have to. Even if you had a gun, getting dropped in on like that means that you were already dangerously behind the reaction curve especially if that dude had a weapon...
I say that I scan for a minute while smoking just to give me a few more minutes to look around. I am rarely in parking garages or poorly lit lots, I am sure the smoke would wait in those situations. I always approach my vehicle with 2 keys ready in hand, door key and gun lock key. I can open the driver's door and have my weapon in a few seconds. I realize this is not perfect, as there is no perfect way. I hope to continue supporting those who lobby for more intelligent and helpful carry policies. That, to me, seems to be the only way to rectify the problem in a parking lot.
Doug, aren't you afraid that smoking combined with your constant hypervigilance will shorten your lifespan? Seriously, constant stress is way more likely to kill someone than random violence.
Constant hypervigilance is what keeps people alive.
Bet you'll never let yourself get caught in Condition White again, will ya?
You messed up by not doing the obvious: locking car doors, sitting in a stationary spot for too long, failing to survey your surroundings. Your .45 won't help after he has the drop on you, rather only if you could prepare and anticipate what was about to happen.
Took the words right out of my mouth
Have you considered the fact that the BG committed a crime and should be prosecuted? He broke and entered your vehicle and announced a robbery.How do you know if he was really kidding (unlikely) or just lost his nerve?You could have legally shot and killed him on the spot and you treat it as a joke because the bg didn't wait for your wallet and keys to your car? Unbelievable.PRESS CHARGES OR STFU.
Ditto
Crankshop1000, I don't know if you have a comprehension problem or if you just skimmed over his post, but I suggest you go back and read it again - then edit your post accordingly.
I Read it three times and still agree with crankshop.
I would have reported the attempted robbery to the police.
Both in the town that it happened in and my home town, and the state cops, and security (vehemently- these rent-a-cops need this, and to my D*mn liberal senator's office, and the Dean, and his secretary, and the old lady that lives behind me and... Blah Blah Yackety Schmackety... Anyone who might feel like their day would go bad if I made an issue out of this.
Tanzer
Oldironman's point was that crankshop's outburst was unecessary. The OP said that the crime had been reported and charges were being pursued by either the PD or campus PD, I do not recall specifically. Crankshop responded without reading the post completely and oldironman just pointed out the ignorance required to do so.
Oldironman's point was that crankshop's outburst was unecessary. The OP said that the crime had been reported and charges were being pursued by either the PD or campus PD, I do not recall specifically. Crankshop responded without reading the post completely and oldironman just pointed out the ignorance required to do so.
I am lost
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Please explain.
by this:
Both in the town that it happened in and my home town, and the state cops, and security (vehemently- these rent-a-cops need this, and to my D*mn liberal senator's office, and the Dean, and his secretary, and the old lady that lives behind me and... Blah Blah Yackety Schmackety... Anyone who might feel like their day would go bad if I made an issue out of this.
Please explain.
Holy hell people. i've already reported it to the Campus Police. And to the City Police. I know several people who work for the city police and they are basically taking over because campus PD is so inadequate.
Now for the condition white thing? I concede, I wasn't being as "hypervigilant" as I should have been, but at the same time, I'm no sheep walking around in a world of my own. I scan parking garages as I walk through them, as well as alleys, dark parts of campus, blah blah blah. This guy was obviously hiding, waiting for someone to come along. My task is to be observant and keep an eye out, not scan every nook and cranny for black people waiting to jump me. Obviously, I'll be on higher alert from now on, but on the same note, I wasn't exactly walking along in LaLa land before either.
Now for the condition white thing? I concede, I wasn't being as "hypervigilant" as I should have been, but at the same time, I'm no sheep walking around in a world of my own. I scan parking garages as I walk through them, as well as alleys, dark parts of campus, blah blah blah. This guy was obviously hiding, waiting for someone to come along. My task is to be observant and keep an eye out, not scan every nook and cranny for black people waiting to jump me. Obviously, I'll be on higher alert from now on, but on the same note, I wasn't exactly walking along in LaLa land before either.
My task is to be observant and keep an eye out...
Exactly my point. Living life like you have an american flag on your back and you are in downtown Bagdad is ridiculus and not really an option. As it turned out this whole thing was a "joke" anyway, increased vigilance could have turned it into something quite different. If anything this should be a cautionary tale. If someone with a CCW shot one of these "jokers" it would have been a long expensive lesson, not to mention the angst you might have to live with from shooting someone that you shouldn't have(whether they deserved it for acting stupid is beside the point)
Jermtheory
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scan every nook and cranny for black people waiting to jump me.
i think you should be carefull not to get tunnel vision when it comes to the race of potential threats.
Holy shnikkies! My condolences to your patience Galilarms. Hahaha evidently a lot of members here are opportunist and am sniping from a distance lying in the bushes till a chance arises to gill someone.
None the less keep us posted(if this thread doesn't get closed) on the outcome of the case. I'd be interested in if they catch these guys and if charges stick. Serious crimes they have committed. Little as they know they could have been shanked.
Although many posteres may not agree from the looks of their responses, but nice to have you share the experience.
None the less keep us posted(if this thread doesn't get closed) on the outcome of the case. I'd be interested in if they catch these guys and if charges stick. Serious crimes they have committed. Little as they know they could have been shanked.
Although many posteres may not agree from the looks of their responses, but nice to have you share the experience.
i think you should be carefull not to get tunnel vision when it comes to the race of potential threats.
It would be foolish to make blind judgments, but at the same time, without getting too far into the crime statistics and associated data for Waco TX where I live, it would also be foolish to ignore some facts that could aid in "threat identification". I mean that in all seriousness, and from a "threat awareness" point of view.
Exactly my point.
No, your point has been to misread posts and pull out things that were not even implied.
Living life like you have an american flag on your back and you are in downtown Bagdad is ridiculus and not really an option.
The word is "ridiculous." Nobody ever claimed to have this mindset except you.
As it turned out this whole thing was a "joke" anyway, increased vigilance could have turned it into something quite different.
Yea, a non-existant situation. If greater vigilance was practiced (no offense to you galil) the offender would never have had the chance to be in the window.
If anything this should be a cautionary tale. If someone with a CCW shot one of these "jokers" it would have been a long expensive lesson,
Not really. This is TEXAS. Obviously, you know nothing about our state laws. Yes, the civil court would have been a pain, but the courts are generally (please look up the definition of this word, justme) sympathetic in situations where one feels the need to protect themself.
A good lesson
Glad you wern't hurt. If one has not been robbed before this is a valuable lesson as to how fast these things go down. Its akin to going from 0 to 60 in a blink the perp is already there the target is several steps behind. Unless the perp is unpracticed I doubt there will ever be much of a warning. Remember a criminal does it for a living and one must assume he is as proficient in his chosen line as you are in yours. No shame in being bested by an expert. Learn and live.
Glad you wern't hurt. If one has not been robbed before this is a valuable lesson as to how fast these things go down. Its akin to going from 0 to 60 in a blink the perp is already there the target is several steps behind. Unless the perp is unpracticed I doubt there will ever be much of a warning. Remember a criminal does it for a living and one must assume he is as proficient in his chosen line as you are in yours. No shame in being bested by an expert. Learn and live.
Oldironman's point was that crankshop's outburst was unecessary. The OP said that the crime had been reported and charges were being pursued by either the PD or campus PD, I do not recall specifically. Crankshop responded without reading the post completely and oldironman just pointed out the ignorance required to do so.
Followed by GalilARM:
No offense intended, but this hits home and pushes my cranky button. I'll prophesize for a moment; NOTHING WILL BE DONE. You will be disappointed to find out that the case has been dropped, or that the "youths were spoken to" The campus PD IS inadequate (how do I know without having been there? don't even think of asking me that). I think the world of cops, but when this hits a detective's desk, it will go into the "circular file" (slang for wastebasket). I could type a dissertation on two incidents from my experience, but let's let it suffice to say that since nobody got hurt, it will not be important enough for them to pursue. Now, regions of the country ARE different. I hope I am wrong, but trust me - where I live (RI) nothing would come of this.Holy hell people. i've already reported it to the Campus Police. And to the City Police. I know several people who work for the city police and they are basically taking over because campus PD is so inadequate.
This is a good reason for OC spray. Way too many problems with deadly force, and you'd be paying for his plastic surgery if you slashed him (once again, here in RI) You'll even get a whippin' for OC, but you'll keep your savings intact.
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Both in the town that it happened in and my home town, and the state cops, and security (vehemently- these rent-a-cops need this, and to my D*mn liberal senator's office, and the Dean, and his secretary, and the old lady that lives behind me and... Blah Blah Yackety Schmackety... Anyone who might feel like their day would go bad if I made an issue out of this.
Please explain.
Gladly, as stated above, this will come to a dead end. Lighting a fire under enough a**es just might make an issue. I'd tell the Dean that my next stop is the local paper, then the local TV news. How do you cover a wall with wet toilet paper? You keep throwing wet toilet paper at it. some will stick, some won't. Eventually, you will throw enough to satisfy yourself (if you like wet TP).
GailiARM; Go down and ask to see the police report. See if they'll even show it to you. IF they do, consider yourself lucky (yes, I know it's your right, but see if that matters). And IF they do, ask what the next step is. Be prepared for disappointment.
Look folks, I know I'm jaded. My son was killed in a traffic accident and I got NOWHERE in finding out the condition of the driver at the time. It cost me thousands in lawyer fees to get a look at the police report. The driver was a distant relative of a town big wig. For the next three years I was flagged on firearm purchases.
My wife was a victim of identitiy theft. I called the stores where purchases were attempted and handed my local detectives TWO seperate names and shipping addresses. NOTHING. My State police; Can't help because the purchases were made in another state. Those state police; Can't help because you are not from our state. FBI; said call the Secret Service. Secret Service; They were only attempted purchases less than 10K. Bottom line; forgetttabooouttiit.
Sorry to digress. Galilarm - You are TO'd and have a right to be. I'd chuck rocks in their proverbial "peace pond" until I made some ripples.
Why do we take SD into our own hands in the first place? Because we know the police are responders. I'm not cop bashing. It's just the nature of things. The front line cops are your best bet. After three days this issue will float like a lead balloon, and THAT is my explanation for my response.
If I'm wrong, then all will be good. And that'll be fine with me.
If I'm right, well, unfortunately, I'll say; "Told you so".