Im 5'-6", and have carried full sized handguns, often with a back up as well, 18/7/365 for around 40 years now. Theres no need to handicap yourself with a "little" gun.Well for some people who are short like me (5' 7"), carrying even a single stack 9mm (short of the $$$ R9) is nary impossible, especially during summer,
It simply takes what it takes, with any of them. There is no secret formula or caliber, you just keep shooting until they are down and out.I want to see a study done on how many bullets are used in successful SD and the caliber.
I think .380 in 5 or 6 shots is enough. Obviously some would disagree
Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there have only been two such studies, and only one has been officially published. That is the Rangemaster study. The man who put it together, Tom Givens, recommends against a five shot revolver. But both data samples are quite small, and there are a lot of variables.I want to see a study done on how many bullets are used in successful SD and the caliber.
Have you studied JohnKSa's analysis, posted above?I think .380 in 5 or 6 shots is enough.
Well for some people who are short like me (5' 7"), carrying even a single stack 9mm
that means a S&W Model 28 .357 with a 4" barrel.
My gun is a last ditch effort to assist in the event that i somehow win the lottery and have to use it. There might be multiple assailants, but it aint like the movies. Theyre probably not going to stick around circling you if youve got a gun. If 3 of them have guns, good luck having a high capacity magazine and taking out all 3.Posted by Moomooboo:Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there have only been two such studies, and only one has been officially published. That is the Rangemaster study. The man who put it together, Tom Givens, recommends against a five shot revolver. But both data samples are quite small, and there are a lot of variables.
Have you studied JohnKSa's analysis, posted above?
Are you aware that, more often than not, if you are involved in a use of force incident, you will be facing more than one assailant?
Do you like the idea of ending up with an empty firearm?
Are there hit rate and other assumptions that you prefer to the ones that John assumed? What likelihood of success with five shots do they yield?
How much do you weigh?Im 5'-6", and have carried full sized handguns, often with a back up as well, 18/7/365 for around 40 years now. Theres no need to handicap yourself with a "little" gun.
You can easily carry a full size, much easier to shoot well with handgun, even in the heat of summer, even in just a pair of shorts and a light shirt.
Joe, would you please tell us where you live.
And where we should not.
Appreciated.
Is moving an option? Seriously, from what you describe I'd feel under gunned with ANY handgun. No offense intended, but life is too short to live in a pooh hole
Good. That is as it should be.My gun is a last ditch effort to assist in the event that i somehow win the lottery and have to use it.
No, one would not expect them to "stick around circling". The question is whether they will break off the attack. I'm not willing to bet my life on that hope.There might be multiple assailants, but it aint like the movies. Theyre probably not going to stick around circling you if youve got a gun.
Really? Fifty? Not I.Obviously id love to be packing a 50 round mag with a bulletproof vest and kevlat in an uparmoured vehicle. But with statistically unfeasible chance that i will ever encounter this situation, i think ill refrain.
Not I.Its life, your number might get pulled no matter how much you try to prepare yourself for it. Just accept it.
165-170How much do you weigh?
All valid reasons oldmarksman. I guess im just more willing to take the gamble and roll the dice with less rounds and a 9mm. I will tell you that i pack a higher cap mag and possinly higher caliber when i go to ghetto neighborhoods.Posted by Moomooboo:Good. That is as it should be.
No, one would not expect them to "stick around circling". The question is whether they will break off the attack. I'm not willing to bet my life on that hope.
Really? Fifty? Not I.
JohnKSa's analysis illustrates how six is better than five, how seven is better than six, and so on, using his assumptions. Vary the assumptions as you see fit, and see what you think. I carry eight. That's about as low as I want to go.
Personally, I think he understates it some, considering that one is likely to fire three or four rounds in very rapid succession at the onset of an attack.
Not I.
I have availed myself of training, I carry what some of the best trainers carry (because they have seen much more than I how it prefers day in and day out) and I shoot it, I stay out of stupid places, I keep my eyes and ears open, and I will go to any length to avoid conflict.
I cant omagine carrying a full size g19. I carried a g26 for a while and that felt fat. When it comes wintertime though id be more willing to carry a bigger gun165-170
Ive been as high as 215 (as much as it tastes good, beer is not your friend ), and it made no difference as far as carrying the gun, fat or skinny, its easily done.
Best to be as fit as you can though, theres more to this than just pulling a trigger.