Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

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I would carry my Glock's any day over a hand gun with a safety. Knowing that your gun has THE safety on, can lead to poor gun handling. Just like, (I thought it was unloaded), (I thought the safety was on), and so on. But whatever you carry spend time with the gun so you can be safe.
 
Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

no the fact it is ulgy, square, plastic, and has a terrible action is what put me off :rolleyes:
 
Yes the fact that the Glocks do not have a safety are part of the reason I did not buy one. I know this will sound stupid but I bought an XD9 which has a safety for that reason. Plus it is a sweet @## gun. Had it less than a week and have put around 500 rounds through it already:)
 
I will not buy one. It is essentially a cocked and unlocked 1911 that is drop safe.

Put a REAL double action trigger on the thing sans safety and I can see accept it for private citizen use but for LEOs, uniformed escpecially, it ia a Widow Maker. S&W autos have a long history of keeping officers alive after succesful gun grabs due to mag disconnect safeties as well as manual safeties. Any gangbanger who grabs an officer's Glock in a struggle only must point and click to kill.
 
I would think that if it got to the point of a struggle, the saftey would already be off. I have heard several times from a lot of patrolmen, that the first thing they do after getting out of their cruiser is disengage their saftey if applicable (these are patrolmen not carrying Glocks). It makes sence to me but, I am not a cop. If I was, I would assume everybody was going to be aggresive until percieved otherwise and, therefore I would want the only thing stopping me from defending myself to be actually drawing my sidearm.
 
Yes it scared me to buy a gun with no manual safety......all nine times LOL.

The Glock is not capable of firing unless the trigger is pulled. The beauty of this weapon is the fact that it is so safe yet so ready. More brain power can be focused on solving the problem instead of operating controls on a gun.
 
I would think that if it got to the point of a struggle, the saftey would already be off. I have heard several times from a lot of patrolmen, that the first thing they do after getting out of their cruiser is disengage their saftey if applicable (these are patrolmen not carrying Glocks). It makes sence to me but, I am not a cop. If I was, I would assume everybody was going to be aggresive until percieved otherwise and, therefore I would want the only thing stopping me from defending myself to be actually drawing my sidearm.
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True on the draw but the training is also to re-engage the safety if a struggle ensues. There have been multiple examples of the safety and mag disconnect, also often activated in a struggle, saving officer's lives.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_51/ai_n8709816
However, the manual safety has proven to be a lifesaver when a criminal gets the gun away from its legitimate owner and attempts murder with it. In the late 1977, I was given carte blanche by the Illinois State Police to study their experience with a 1,700-person force that had carried the Model 39 exclusively for a decade, I was able to identify 13 troopers who were alive because they had the S&W pistol, and would have been dead if they'd had their old revolvers. Four were firepower survivals in gunfights that took them beyond six shots, but nine were saved when a suspect got their 9mm away, tried to shoot them with it, and couldn't make it go off.

Some were saved when, perceiving themselves to be losing the struggle for the gun, they punched the magazine release. This activated the magazine disconnector, making it impossible to fire the chambered round once the suspect gained control of the pistol. The majority, though, were saved because their pistol was "on safe" when snatched, and their would-be murderer couldn't figure out how to make it work.
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i hate to say it..since i said it somewhere else...could have been here..but it wouldnt hurt my feelings to see a grip safety like the XD , 1911 on a Glock ..but thats about all id want..i dont want to have to flick a switch then shoot if i need to ..i wanna just draw and fire
but it doesnt turn me off to buy a Glock, i still want a G19 at some point
 
True on the draw but the training is also to re-engage the safety if a struggle ensues. There have been multiple examples of the safety and mag disconnect, also often activated in a struggle, saving officer's lives.
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That makes sence too. I would find it hard to re-engage my saftey while being in a struggle but, I think I could drop a mag pretty easy. I would be satisfied with a mag disconnect or maybe even a grip saftey on my Glocks but, I also think their pretty good how they are. I have to say that I was super impressed with the thumb saftey I put on my wifes G19. I had my doubts at first. I just don't feel the need for one.
 
Some people have said that if you think you need a safety, your're either not smart enough or not well trained enough to carry concealed. I think if you can't remember to flip off a safety, your not smart enough or well trained enough to carry. Do you need help remembering to pull the trigger too? Just cause you're a good driver, do you not wear your seatbelt? As I stated earlier, I don't have my safety engaged when carrying, but if you feel safer with a safety, good. I mean that is really the whole reason to carry in the first place right? To feel safe, and to be safe.
 
I support a manual safety for the same reasons you would oppose them.

Training.

Training to flick your thumb as you draw makes a manual safety firearm every bit as fast as one without, and you can make it second nature.
Just like mag loading drills and jam clearing drills, but faster and easier. Learn it. Its so god awful simple.

And for the flipside, you mention it is easy to forget that a manual safety exists while under stress and get shot this way. I should ask for a source but... Ill just assume such a thing is possible.

Ill point out that while under high stress its equally possible to grab your weapon too tightly and put too much pressure on the trigger.

Its all about the training.
 
Ian,

I think if you can't remember to flip off a safety, your not smart enough or well trained enough to carry. Do you need help remembering to pull the trigger too?
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When the poop hits the fan in a life and death struggle normal thinking goes down the drain. If you haven't practiced hundreds of draw/disengage safety/raise weapon/fire if needed drills you could very well forget in an emergency. It has happened to many people....many otherwise smart people.

Some people have said that if you think you need a safety, you're either not smart enough or not well trained enough to carry concealed.
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I agree with this also. If at any point in your shooting/gun handling life you ever have a safety keep you from accidentally firing a gun you just aren't safe enough to be carrying. Make a mistake while carrying a can of tomato soup and the worst outcome is a tough stain on the carpet. Make a mistake with a gun and someone could die...........mistakes are not an option so simply adhere to the basic rules of gun handling and any safety is moot.
 
I like my Safeties like I like my women...

Passive and ready for action at a moments notice:p! Proud Glock 23 owner that has never had a problem without a safety. PT-145 that is carried with the safety off. After shooting my father's CZ40P, I will probably get one of those too, and it has no manual safety just a decocker. Colt Commander .45ACP, that is the only firearm I carry with an active manual safety, but that is only because carrying cocked and unlocked with a 1911 seems just stupid to me:eek: !!

Still 2 Many Choices!?
 
True on the draw but the training is also to re-engage the safety if a struggle ensues. There have been multiple examples of the safety and mag disconnect, also often activated in a struggle, saving officer's lives.
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We were never taught this technique, instead we were taught how to retain our handgun if a struggle ensues utilizing leverage and single handed strikes and blows. The last thing and least instinctive would be to engage a small lever buried in holster. Fine motor skills are already out the window.
 
As I have said I like my Glocks. I don't have a problem with them the way they are. Some manual saftey of sort would be fine as long as it didn't aggresivly change anything and it should be in keeping with Glocks general design. However, AD's do happen. I read in an article about an officer who had removed the mag from his Glock and was going to empty the chamber but, he dropped it. He reached to catch it and did but, the way he grasped it, it went off. Theres a prime example of the downside to Glocks safties. On the otherhand, if he had been more careful, that probably wouldn't have happened. So, I'm sort of passive on the idea.
 
Mastersmith86 whats your opinions on the NY and NY2 trigger springs?

I have one of each on order but don't really know which one to put in but I don't think I will be able to tell much difference in the NY1 and the stock coil because the NY1 is only 3LBS heavier, what do you think?
 
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