Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

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Yes and here's an example why: http://www.thegunzone.com/mos/ad.html

In this case the operator was not, IMO, being overly careless and this is the kind of thing that could easily happen if one's attention slips just for a bit. I also feel that either having a safety or a heavier first pull would make this kind of thing less likely to happen.
 
I wish the glock did offer a manual safety and here's why

http://www.clipdraw.com/

Would you feel safe sticking a glock in your waistband using the clipdraw?

I wouldn't.

That plus the previous post about a foreign object getting into the trigger gaurd of a Glock vs. a 1911 makes me like a saftey - different strokes for different folks - you can always leave it off if you have it but you can't put in on if you don't.
 
One situation that a manual safety is great at, a successful gun grab. Gives you a few seconds while the BG tries to figure out why your gun isn't going BANG. Manual safeties aren't for everyone, but there's no reason to insult people on this forum just because they prefer them.
 
do u think this guy mite want to consider a safety , or not pickin up little bang bangs. Allegedly a dea agent and obviously somebody made the mistake of putting him in the same room with a gun and live ammo but i would bet that doesnt happen again for alittle while

This is a clear example of a NEGLIGENT discharge. This person is unsafe with any firearm. It's fortunate he only hurt himself.
 
"Nice to say, but no meat to the statement. Akin to saying if you're not safe driving an F1 MacLaren, you're not safe driving a Volvo. Both of these are untrue statements.

Case and point; put two pistols in a ransom rest.

Pistol 1: Generic (your choice) model 1911 action pistol. Full mag, 1 in chamber. Condition 1, hammer cocked. All safeties engaged.

Pistol 2: Glock ##. Full mag, 1 in chamber. All safeties engaged.

Insert a stick into the trigger housing both pistols simulating a foreign object, NOT your finger. Rattle it around. Push, pull, twist and get rough with it.

Result:
1911: no change, full mag, one in chamber.
Glock.... BANG, BANG.. BANG.... etc. Empty mag, slide back.

Why did the Glock's safety fail resulting in a discharge? Answer: It didn't. It performed exactly as designed."

Your F1/Volvo analogy is bunk. If the basic rules are followed, it doesn't matter what kind of firearm the person is using. Also, don't put foreign objects in the triggerguard. :rolleyes:

If a person uses a decent holster, there's no problem. As far as the button from the guy's windbreaker getting in there, that's a freak occurance. They made it sound like similar things have happened, but I've never seen another.

Use whatever you want to use. I don't think Glocks are "THE best" (I own several non-Glocks ;) ), nor do I think they're inherently dangerous. Save for some really odd thing like getting a Mexican jumping bean caught in the triggerguard, just follow the rules, and everything will be OK. :p
 
Better words were never spoken

"the only real safety is the one between the ears. the rest are just wannabes"
In your choice pick up a 26 before your buy.
And have fun.
 
There were two "negligent discharges" by law enforcement within a couple weeks of each other in Morris County, NJ a month or so ago....

A Morris County Sheriff's Officer shot himself in the leg as he was holstering his weapon inside the sheriff's office.

A local police department officer was in the process of giving his weapon to another officer, in police headquarters, and he accidently shot the other officer.

I can only assume these were Glock's (but I don't know it to be fact), as that is vastly the weapon of choice of LE, here in New Jersey anyway. (Although at least one large police department here [Jersey City PD] is going back to .45's, and they are all buying XD's).

The Morris County Prosecutor is ordering additional firearms training for all LE in the county. All the local chiefs are (embarrassingly?) agreeing to the additional training.

Keep your booger hook off the bang switch and it won't go bang.
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Jim
Rockaway, NJ
 
I've got a bunch of 1911s. They (obviously) have external safeties. So I've have no problem with guns that have safeties.

I also have 3 Glocks and a couple Sigs. I've got no problem with guns that don't have safeties.

If you are worried about NDs, that I strongly urge you to get more training. There are plenty of organizations that give excellent training, including Gunsite, Cumberland Tactics, Sigarms Academy, LFI, Thunder Ranch, etc. Attending any of these schools should give you a lot more confidence in your skills.
 
Maybe it's a carry-over from lugging around a hunting rifle, but I'm not entirely comfortable with carrying a gun with a relatively light, short trigger--DA revolvers are, in my mind, okay--- in a condition where anything in the trigger guard can set it off. When hunting, I keep my finger along the stock of the rifle and off the trigger. However, I set the safety or keep the chamber empty, because sticks have an annoying habit of getting into trigger guards. With the Glock, keeping my finger off the trigger means that I wont fire it unintentionally, but there's a non-zero chance that something else might fire it.

Now, using a proper holster lowers the chance of getting something in the trigger guard down to something vanishingly small, but bad things happen. So, I just don't feel all warm and fuzzy about carrying a Glock. However, my concerns are sufficiently far-fetched (but as that windbreaker example shows, not completely unfounded) that I don't think y'all are a bunch of yahoos for carrying one.

So, the short answer to the original question is, yes, the lack of a safety has put me off buying a Glock. At least for now. I would like to buy one at some point, even if not to carry. However, there a bunch of other guns higher up the wish list than a pistol I'd shoot occasionally and leave in the safe.
 
If you are really concerned....

....move to Tasmania, where all Glock's come with four...yes...you heard right...4 safeties....now what's your excuse for not owning a Glock?:rolleyes:




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There are lots of reasons to buy a gun - not buy a Glock - Sig, etc. External safety isn't really one of them.

I'm a 1911 fan - and I like the external safety - but I also like the SIG 226's with no external safety. I don't have any issue carrying either one of them.

If you shot the Glock well - and you like it - buy it. But I would at least look at the SIGs first - they're a much better gun in my opinon. I'm just not a poly frame fan - regardless of who makes it (SIG, Wilson Combat, etc).
 
Does the no safety thing put you off...

In a word, yes.

It isn't that I don't trust myself, or that I don't understand the Glock "Safe Action", I do. It is just that the Glock isn't what I want!

I like guns with manual safeties and/or exposed hammers.
 
It can prevent from carrying it in a pocket, but freeing from necessity to play with safeties when you need to shoot. Because this need always coming suddenly, in most uncomfortable moment, when you're tired or half-sleeping.

Revolvers had no external safeties for the last ~150 years.
 
Its not the lack of the safety that is the problem.

The problem it the trigger pull,

Unlike Sigs, or DAO Berettas or numerous others Glock chose to use a light trigger pull combined with a short stroke.

Now this is what make it a better shooter than some of its competition, that depend either on a long stroke or heavier pull or both.

By the same token that is what makes the other guns less prone to NDs by the wingnut behind the trigger.

The Glock system would be enhanced by the inclusion of a good frame mounted safety to lock the slide.

M
 
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