I wonder how many defense attorneys would agree that putting an additional safety mechanism on a handgun which doesn't have one to begin with would help in a defensive shooting situation regardless of whether or not the use of the firearm under such circumstances was wholly defendable to begin with?
Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?
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Simply put: No touch trigger till you need bang...everything else is a waste of time and seconds off your life when it counts.
I don't feel comfortable with the trigger on a Glock.
It's more of a long two stage SA trigger than a true DA.
Carrying one without a good holster is my definition of insanity.
I'm fine with a DA revolver or semi-auto because they have a long trigger pull that's heavy all the way through.
It takes much more of a concious effort to make it go bang.
I know the most important rule is too keep your finger off the trigger until on target and ready to shoot, but it only takes a split second of carelessness to defeat the safety between the ears. Given the liklihood of total surprise, and the possiblity of not being fully awake in a home defense scenario, I favor the long, heavy, true DA pull.
It's more of a long two stage SA trigger than a true DA.
Carrying one without a good holster is my definition of insanity.
I'm fine with a DA revolver or semi-auto because they have a long trigger pull that's heavy all the way through.
It takes much more of a concious effort to make it go bang.
I know the most important rule is too keep your finger off the trigger until on target and ready to shoot, but it only takes a split second of carelessness to defeat the safety between the ears. Given the liklihood of total surprise, and the possiblity of not being fully awake in a home defense scenario, I favor the long, heavy, true DA pull.
Ironmine, you said "There were two "negligent discharges" by law enforcement within a couple weeks of each other in Morris County, NJ a month or so ago....
A Morris County Sheriff's Officer shot himself in the leg as he was holstering his weapon inside the sheriff's office.
A local police department officer was in the process of giving his weapon to another officer, in police headquarters, and he accidently shot the other officer.
I can only assume these were Glock's (but I don't know it to be fact), as that is vastly the weapon of choice of LE, here in New Jersey anyway. (Although at least one large police department here [Jersey City PD] is going back to .45's, and they are all buying XD's).
The Morris County Prosecutor is ordering additional firearms training for all LE in the county. All the local chiefs are (embarrassingly?) agreeing to the additional training."
1.If you don't know what type of weapon was used in Morris County, why did you bring it up in a Glock post? Are you anti glock?
2. I've spent 30 years w/ the JCPD, we switched to Glocks in 1994, from S&W TDA 9mms; Glock Model 17, or 19 for uniform personnel and 26 for pc or off duty. The recent change was to allow the option of 45 Cal Glocks, either the model 21, 30 for uniform personnel or for pc and off duty use, the Model 36.
A Morris County Sheriff's Officer shot himself in the leg as he was holstering his weapon inside the sheriff's office.
A local police department officer was in the process of giving his weapon to another officer, in police headquarters, and he accidently shot the other officer.
I can only assume these were Glock's (but I don't know it to be fact), as that is vastly the weapon of choice of LE, here in New Jersey anyway. (Although at least one large police department here [Jersey City PD] is going back to .45's, and they are all buying XD's).
The Morris County Prosecutor is ordering additional firearms training for all LE in the county. All the local chiefs are (embarrassingly?) agreeing to the additional training."
1.If you don't know what type of weapon was used in Morris County, why did you bring it up in a Glock post? Are you anti glock?
2. I've spent 30 years w/ the JCPD, we switched to Glocks in 1994, from S&W TDA 9mms; Glock Model 17, or 19 for uniform personnel and 26 for pc or off duty. The recent change was to allow the option of 45 Cal Glocks, either the model 21, 30 for uniform personnel or for pc and off duty use, the Model 36.
renegadecreation
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I carry a Glock 27 and feel completely comfortable with no external safety. I also understand where other people are coming from. If an individual is not comfortable carrying a weapon without an external safety they should not carry it. This is a question of personal preference and each person has to ultimately decide what they feel comfortable with carrying and train themselves in how to react with their choice if the need arises. Each person is different in what they find comfortable. It took me a long time feeling comfortable just carrying a weapon concealed but as time has passed I have seen situations when I’m glad I know it is there, in case the need arises, and have become comfortable wearing it.
Just my opinion
Just my opinion
Daves-got-guns
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hey, adwjc i was wondering, since i dont see alot of cops carrying da revolvers, if your department or anybodys department really uses them anymore. I noticed ever since ive been a kid really that most cops carry the glocks or the recent xd or maybe a beretta from time to time. Also i think i maybe have scene 1 cocked and locked 1911.
thats what attracted me to the springer xd ..i liked the 1911 grip safety ..and thats why i bought it over the glock..and i shot the xd better..but if i had to do it again..i might would have bought a Walther P99 because im not sure i like the glock/xd style triggers at all..not from a safety point of view but from a shooting point of view
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Last time I checked, we had around 50 guys out 875 sworn that still carried revolvers. But keep in mind, the 1979 and 1981 classes are eligible to retire now, so that could drop fast.
From 1974 on, a S&W 9mm was optional, you had to train w/ a revolver and then after you got off probation, you could purchase your own pistol & ammo and qualify on your own time. They gave you a laminated card so the supervisor would know if you were legit to carry the 9mm or not.
Our last academy class trained w/ revolvers was in 1981, as I recall (the cops union made it an issue that they were being forced to buy an extra useless gun, etc).
Then we went to S&W 669s & later model S&Ws until 1994, they authorized Glocks, to supposedly standardize the weapons & training, and they encouraged revolver guys to switch (many did) they arranged group purchases thru the city I think they were $349.
Now they authorized the 45 Glock as an option, it just never ends......
BTW, I took an instructors course in Morris County years ago (1979), the Morristown guys had Colt 1911s then.
Last time I checked, we had around 50 guys out 875 sworn that still carried revolvers. But keep in mind, the 1979 and 1981 classes are eligible to retire now, so that could drop fast.
From 1974 on, a S&W 9mm was optional, you had to train w/ a revolver and then after you got off probation, you could purchase your own pistol & ammo and qualify on your own time. They gave you a laminated card so the supervisor would know if you were legit to carry the 9mm or not.
Our last academy class trained w/ revolvers was in 1981, as I recall (the cops union made it an issue that they were being forced to buy an extra useless gun, etc).
Then we went to S&W 669s & later model S&Ws until 1994, they authorized Glocks, to supposedly standardize the weapons & training, and they encouraged revolver guys to switch (many did) they arranged group purchases thru the city I think they were $349.
Now they authorized the 45 Glock as an option, it just never ends......
BTW, I took an instructors course in Morris County years ago (1979), the Morristown guys had Colt 1911s then.
I think an external safety is useful when the weapon is being stored. If you live with family, you never know when someone is going to look into your stuff. You dont know when someone might be curious and take your keys or maybe they might know the combo to the safe. They might try to fool with it.
A child will learn his way around any safeguard you try to put on the weapon. You can put it in a gun safe, but then he might see you put in the combo one day. etc.
Maybe you might be taking it from the safe, you forgot to unload the weapon and your a little bit tired from not sleeping well. You then accidentally hit the trigger, whoops.
The safety is a last resort to stop foolishness. I dont believe it was meant to be on when you carry it around. Its meant to save people from themselves for when its being stored.
I did hear an argument where someone said that it would be helpful say a BG grabs your weapon and cant figure out the safety. Gives you a second or two to slap it out of his hands.
A child will learn his way around any safeguard you try to put on the weapon. You can put it in a gun safe, but then he might see you put in the combo one day. etc.
Maybe you might be taking it from the safe, you forgot to unload the weapon and your a little bit tired from not sleeping well. You then accidentally hit the trigger, whoops.
The safety is a last resort to stop foolishness. I dont believe it was meant to be on when you carry it around. Its meant to save people from themselves for when its being stored.
I did hear an argument where someone said that it would be helpful say a BG grabs your weapon and cant figure out the safety. Gives you a second or two to slap it out of his hands.
rellascout
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I have not read all the posts but all I can say is that the only true safety is between your ears.
The Glock is a safe proven platform. If you do not think you can train to handle it properly then choose a different platform but don't knock the Glock.
Let it be known that I am not a Glock fan but I am not a Glock basher either.
The Glock is a safe proven platform. If you do not think you can train to handle it properly then choose a different platform but don't knock the Glock.
Let it be known that I am not a Glock fan but I am not a Glock basher either.
FirstFreedom
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No it does not. That's just a training issue - train with what you use, follow gun safety rules, and safety or not is irrelevant. [Besides, it doesn't matter - there are plenty of things sufficient to put me off besides that - junkie sights, junkie guide rod, junkie mag fit, junkie mag release button, unnatural grip angle, lack of features, etc.]
FirearmFan
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I prefer not having a safety. Its one less thing to worry about if I need to draw and shoot. It does require that you be more proficient in protecting yourself from a gun grab but, I feel with the proper training not having a safety is an advantage.
Just my 2 cents
Just my 2 cents
firemedic1975
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Safety is up to you
Like the posts ahve said the best saft is the one between your ears. Your finger should not be on the trigger till you are ready to fire the weapon. Just remember many people have been killed by "unloaded" weapons.
Like the posts ahve said the best saft is the one between your ears. Your finger should not be on the trigger till you are ready to fire the weapon. Just remember many people have been killed by "unloaded" weapons.
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