Cost:Benefit Looking at Reloading

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Just out of curiosity, what the heck did you buy that you spent nearly $5k on reloading equipment????



The majority of dies and accessories are not even shown in the picture and I only load for 13 calibers. The scale alone was over $300.00 dollars and I don't even own any Dillon equipment.

Reloading is not cheap, cheaper than purchasing the same amount of commercial ammo, yes. And if you consider that that was over a 10 year period, it only comes out to $500.00 per year.

Now the real expense. Over $12,000 in new gun purchases to feed my re-loading habit. Two in each caliber.

I don't re-load to be able to shoot, I shoot to be able to re-load. (LOL)

And yes I shoot what I reload, while I have 25,000 rounds in storage, I have loaded over 50,000 during the last 10 years. I haven't purchased a commercial round in the last 8 years. And as to ammo shortages in the stores? WHAT IS THAT!!! (LOL)

I didn't get into reloading to save money, but to get better (much better) ammunition.

If you want to save money, open a 401K savings account, if you want pride and fun in a great hobby, then get into reloading.

Jim
 
Jim243,
I share your reloading stratedegies ! I too am deeply vested into handloading. I too am stockpiling reloading components for the possibility of an ammo "SHTF" economic situation. I'm good to load approx. 16K of varied calibers. So "ammo panics" will not interrupt my passion for shooting. I try to purchase one and a half times what I shoot on small weekly purchases. So if I shot 30 rounds of .308 I try to buy enough replacement components for 40 rounds. This mindset is working pretty good ! ;) These pics are over a year old so the stash has grown quite a bit more...







And if by some reason I'm unable to handload there's the stash of live ammo :




So I like to think I'm planning for a happy , safe retirement ;)
 
Reloading is a huge waste of money, but everyone does it that takes guns seriously.

If we knew what we were getting into, we would have never got married and the human race would go extinct.

Yes, yes and yes.
 
Everyone keeps repeating this lie that "you won't save money"...but you will shoot more for the same amount that you have been spending. So, if you are shooting more for less than it would cost you now...not reloading...then, you ARE SAVING money.

As some have said, you will learn how to save even more money as you get into it. I cast all of my bullets for 357, 44 and 45 handguns. Reusing my brass, buying powder and primers...I reload my ammo for less than a dime per round. Now, as I have for years, I shoot all I want, any time I want...and I am not a wealthy man.

And lastly, money spent on reloading equipment is not money wasted...that equipment will fetch around 75% of purchase price in resell after you have used it the rest of your life...some of it will actually resell for more than it cost to purchase new.

The decision to reload is up to you, but I will tell you, without reservation, you are really going to limit your shooting without reloading...unless you have a lot of disposable income to put toward ammo.
 
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I really do not know if YOU will save money, but I will. I really don't know if I would reload what I call "Blaster ammo" (9MM, .223, ect.) to save money either. I was a late starter in reloading. If I could not get the ammo for something, I just re-barreled it. I started reloading with case forming and was never sorry. I now make cartridges for calibers that are impossible to even get brass for, or the cost for the brass is astronomical. I have to agree with the others. If you are only looking to save money with reloading, maybe it is not for you.
 
In my situation, pre handloading I was shooting approx. 20-60 rounds a week (precision target) at my gun club. I shoot at a minimum once a week , sometimes as much as 3 times a week if I have the opportunities. Post handloading I still shoot the same amounts. maybe even a bit less. Single stage handloading precision ammo has taken up a LOT of my time that was free before I started loading.
 
I don't really understand the "it won't save you money camp" I haven't started yet, but I'm going to start reloading soon for .40 . I'm going to use free brass, locally cast lead bullets, and between $250 and $280 on reloading equipment. I've done the math again and again and at under 3500 rounds it's paid for itself. I have a specific budget that I am able to spend on shooting per month, and I can shoot many more bullets than the cheapest factory ammo I can buy. As to this the satisfaction of shooting your own stuff, knowing the quality of what you are shooting, and tailoring the bullet to your gun. I don't understand the nay-saying crowd.
 
Thanks for showing us, Jim43, that is a nice set up. I load for more than 13, and don't have even a fraction of that equipment.

I am set up to load for ...
.22 Hornet
.221 Rem Fireball
.222 Rem
.223 Rem
.22-250 Rem
.243 Win
6mm Rem
.25-06
6m5x55mm Swede
7mm Rem mag
.30-30
.30-40 Krag
.300 Savage
.308 Win
.30-06
.300 Win mag
.303 British
7.7mm Arisaka
7.62x54R
8mm Mauser
.350 Rem Mag
.375 H&H Mag
.45-70
.458 Win Mag

.32ACP
9mm Luger
.38 Special
.357 Magnum
.357 AMP
.44 Special
.44 Mag
.44AMP
.45ACP
.45 Colt
.45 Win Mag

12 gauge
I make that 35, not counting 12ga, which I haven't loaded in decades. Might have missed one or two, going off the top of my head.

Do I save money? Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. But considering some of these rounds are $80 for 20 (or even MORE expensive), and I can load equal, if not better for 1/4 the cost (or less!) I'd say I save money, here and there...:D
 
Thanks Amp44, that is an impressive list of calibers. And yes I started out with a $300.00 investment in reloading equipment. But that soon grew and grew and grew as I decided I needed or could use this piece of equipment or another. (LOL)

Just in reloading manuals, I have 10 of them about $200.00 worth. Gauges for each major rifle caliber 6 of them (223 Remington, 243 Winchester, 35 Remington, 7.62x39 Russian, 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield) at about $25.00 each ($150), two sets of calipers ($85), 4 scales at $375.00 (the RCBS Charge Master was $300.00 alone), two tumblers, 4 powder dispensers (measures), 15 sets of dies, a RCBS case length gauge and cases for 5 calibers ($118.00), a Lee Zip Trim and case Trimmer for each caliber, a Lyman Universal Case Trimmer, a Lyman Case Prep Center, RCBS impact hammer, RCBS bullet puller, and 3 presses and assorted equipment for them, and the list goes on and on. While not that expensive taken one by one, it does add up and up until 10 years later you realize you have about $5,000 sitting on your bench. Considering that one Dillon press could run you around $1,000 completely set up, I don't think I have done too bad at trying to save on the cost of my equipment.

But, as to saving money by reloading, you are right it depends on your definition of "Savings". Mine is that you have more money in your pocket at the end of the day. Well, I think I failed at that (LOL).

The thing that struck me in looking over your list of calibers, is that you need a firearm to reload for each of those calibers (LOL), and that is quite a list. (LOL)

We, each have our downfalls, some are in restoring old cars, some are in Ham Radio equipment which is a much much more expensive hobby and yes I got my Ham lic. this year, and some are in reloading and shooting.

I love the time I get to spend reloading and get a great deal of enjoyment out of it more so than lugging all those rifles to the range. But those one hole 5 round groups more than make up for the trouble of hauling 75 lbs of equipment and driving a hour and a half each way to the closest rifle range.

All I can say to a new re-loader is that once you fall in love with it, it will consume your time and resources, so make sure you want to spend the time and resources and you are not just a casual shooter that goes to the range once in a while.

Stay safe and be well.
Jim
 
I understand where jim and the others are coming from.
You can tie up some money in it.

I only load 7 rifle and 3 pistol calibers on a lee turret press.

I started with pistol, and the 38 &9 are around 5 bux a box
The 45 is around 6.50 a box.

It didn't take long to recoup the costs.

But when I went to rifle I had to get more equipment
So add a lathe trimmer, and hand case prep tools, and a better scale and trickler and powder measure.and tools for removing crimped primer pockets. And case lube
Not to bad if I stopped there, but I found myself needing to load 200-300 rds for a shoot I was going to.

While all of this was being done by hand, I found it tedious and time consuming.
The media separator pan, the weighing and trickling of charges, the trimming of brass, the chamfering/deburring and removing of primer crimps.

So I have more time for the break even point due to removing the tedious aspects, with a rotary media separator, a chargemaster, a electric trimmer, and a electric case prep tool with crimp removers, BUT reloading is a LOT more enjoyable, and all my cases are prepped the same.

The rifle rounds are match rounds and savings are about half, or better depending on the caliber, and the ammo is tuned to the gun.

If I didn't reload, I couldn't afford to shoot what I do and I would be using federal gold medal match or similar.


But I find myself shooting more, and better ammo, and I enjoy the crafting of it.
A whole lot of satisfaction came from seeing what dads old 6 mm varmint rig really liked
(87 vmax over 4064, near max charge)

So I guess the answer is it depends on how deep the rabbit hole you want to go, and what level of tediousness you want to have. That's what it was for me.

And yes, id still do it again.
next up, I'll venture in casting and powder coating.
As I already have lead ,sizers, and molds.
 
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I save a TON of money reloading!

I can load 100 .223 rounds for $9.00! Yes, & these are "print-a-inch" rounds too! Here's the math: primer $.03 & powder $.06 each. But you got to go to the range & do some picking up.
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I love the economy of reloading!

...bug :)

BTW: I only spent $1,200 for my bullet making equipment to add to my other reloading stuff.
 
The thing that struck me in looking over your list of calibers, is that you need a firearm to reload for each of those calibers (LOL), and that is quite a list. (LOL)

I HAVE at least ONE firearm for each of those calibers, and for some of the calibers, I have several.
LOL
:D
 
Savings, shmavings

When I first started shooting, I looked at two candidate hobbies; shooting and bowling. I figured each would cost about the same and probably be about as much fun. Both would be about the same outlay of cash on a continuing basis, but shooting cost an initial outlay of substantially more (but recoupable if I sold my gear).

My calculations for shooting costs included reloading because I knew I could not afford to shoot factory ammo. Period.

To the best of my recollection, the math worked out approximately like this:

$300 initial outlay (recoupable) for shooting and $20 to $50 a month (in 1975) WITH reloading.

$50 initial outlay for bowling and $20 to $50 a month for bowling.

Bowling would probably have allowed me to meet more girls, but I was stationed in Arizona and, out West, it seemed natural to go the firearms route.

Note that my reasoning DOES NOT involve the canard that I would shoot more by reloading, but not save any money over factory ammo. I repeat - if I shot factory ammo, I would not have shot at all. None of my guns have never seen a single round of factory ammo other than 1) the first box of 50 I bought and 2) factory ammo I bought because I needed the brass.

Thanks for reading.

Lost Sheep

edit: I am thinking of this as a motto: "I shoot, therefore I load. I load, therefore I shoot."
 
I'm speaking as an individual with multiple college level courses in economics which comprised a portion of my honors degree Bachelor of Arts, a Juris Doctor, a private entrepreneur, while I'm carrying nearly a 4.0 grade point average and 1/2 through my Masters of Business Administration degree, with "A's" in Accounting and Economics courses at graduate level:

If it's a hobby, then the cost is mostly irrelevant if you enjoy it and can afford it. All hobbies are costly - skiing, camping, skydiving, etc. My snowboarding hobby is expensive and offers zero return. It's not for economics, it's fun.

If this is to SAVE MONEY, you must factor in the value of:

-Cost of time - economic term is "opportunity costs." This is not just as you sit at the press. Factor in time setup, building bench, researching loads, ordering components online, measuring, weighting, testing loads, etc.
-Cost of floor space - your presumably rent or pay mortgage on square footage of your home. That is a factor X/sq. ft.
-Cost of startup equipment, which you can depreciate or amortize out over X years.

Reloaders conveniently forget the hundreds of dollars spent on all the equipment, the many square feet of floor space (each square foot in your home represents somewhere around $XXX/ft that you pay rent or mortgage on - so if reloading requires you to upscale the size of your home to accommodate reloading, for increased costs, you must factor that in), storage space, the cash outlay for all components, the constant hunt for brass, lead, primers, and powder, the hazards of having that stuff around... (a recent article in one of these reloading forums about a guy who had a massive amount of gunpowder and it ignited and blew up his house) and the hours of sitting in front of what is effectively a little press in your home - like a little Chinese sweat shop...

And just peruse the reloader section. I see frequent posts about serious mistakes that reloaders make resulting in blowing up their guns or causing injuries. And by the way, nobody will shoot or buy your reloaded ammo - that's how much reloaded ammo is trusted. So you could make 100,000 reloads that are worthless to anyone but you. Conversely, in a pinch you could recoup your investment in a purchase of 100,000 factory rounds if you needed to.

Let's reasonably assume you can earn $30 an hour at your profession. Let's also assume that the outlay for a good reloading setup, dies, accessories, workbench, etc. is $1000. (A Dillon Square Deal is $400, and advertises 300-500 rounds per hour, but does not factor in the "down time" for measuring, weighing, testing, pulling mistakes, shopping for components, setup, tear down, which cut deep into that hourly rate).

Let's say you can make a sustainable average 100 rounds an hour for 10 cents per 9mm round. It would take you 1000 hours + $10,000 in materials to make 100,000 rounds (100 rds/hr x 1000 hours = 100,000 rounds). 1,000 hours of foregone work @ $30/hr is $30,000 + $10,000 in raw materials + $1000 for the setup. Total economic cost of this 100,000 rounds is $41,000. The hand loaded ammo also has no economic value to anyone but you, so nearly zero resale value (there is a thread on one of these reloading sites about a reloader that died and the family could barely give away piles of his ammo due to the dangers and hassles of pulling the bullets or shooting it). And this doesn't factor the learning curve, floor storage space/cost, inconvenience, and risks of rolling your own.

*Note you lose money with each bullet using this very reasonable example. Even if you increased production and cut the time to 300 rounds per hour, that brings the labor to $10,000 + $10,000 materials + $1,000 for the setup = $21,000.

Conversely, let's say you buy 100,000 factory rounds at 20 cents per round, for $20,000 with the click of a button. http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/Feder...-p/cal9115.htm Right here is 115 grain Federal 9x19 for $19 cents per round. It took me 10 seconds to find it. You could probably get a better price if you bought a pallet of it.
And you work those 1000 hours at a profession or side-job, earning $30,000. Total cost is $30,000 earned minus $20,000 spent on ammo, so you come out AHEAD $10,000 cash PLUS the factory ammo will retain 100% of it's value and probably increase over time.

The analysis may be different for exotic or particularly expensive ammo, or ammo that needs special tweaking, or the opportunity costs of a person's earning potential...
In my mind, it's clear that for most people, buying factory is the way to go unless you just absolutely love reloading as a hobby or are otherwise on a fixed income or unemployed - which is a different analysis.

From a purist economic standpoint, if you're gainfully employed and could otherwise be working, you may never reach an economic "break even" point. If fact, you could actually lose money for each bullet you make versus just buying a pallet of ammo and working at your job instead.
 
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^^^^^^ here, here. Well I am glad to see someone's MBA was worth it.

After 47 years in Finance and Accounting, I am glad to see someone that understands it.

Stay safe and be well.
Jim
 
leadcounsel said:
Cost of startup equipment, which you can depreciate or amortize out over X years

I tried explaining this in post #20 , but for some reason many people don't share my logic. Spend $500+ on the initial handloading startup equipment and immediately your "-$500 and thereafter you need to shoot several thousand rounds to absorb the purchased cost of the equipment and start actually "saving" money.
 
leadcounsel and I will include Jim243 in this..

How often do most reloader's take off from work to reload?

How often is reloading equipment sold after years of use and when it is no longer needed...and lots of times it is sold for what it cost new, all those years ago.

Most reloader's do it in leisure time, when, if not reloading they would being doing something else...that is less productive...like writing an epistle on a gun forum, that proves nothing.

And, the cost of reloading equipment is miniscule when purchased and handled properly as the VAST majority of equipment cost can be recaptured.

It is pretty clear that neither of you have a very good grasp of getting the most for your money...kind of like our government. This ain't rocket science, but y'all are doing your best to make it so and worse, you are dragging folks with no experience and a desire to do this, along with you.

The fact remains...if you are going to shoot a lot (especially bigbore revolvers)...reloading SAVES money, over buying factory ammo.
 
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yeah, i don't factor in TIME with cost. i don't make money in my evenings off work, so my time is free. if i worked from home r could bill hours whenever i felt like working, that'd be different. but i work scheduled hours with scheduled days off and don't work a econd job, my reloading has no affect to my ability to make money. i guess it depends on how you make money, or more importantly if reloading interferes with your work.
 
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