Rapist and Perverts are "predators". A rapist is a coward that gets his jollies by attacking the weak and dominating them, sometimes with or without penetration, or they may use a "foriegn object" A child molester will rarely confront an adult, but yet preys on a victom that usually does not even understand what is right and wrong. These "animals" cannot and willnot ever be cured! Even if you take away the ability to penetrate they will still have an urge to hunt. Most cases of child molesters that I've seen, the predator used their hands to "touch". What I'm trying to say is for these "animals" "IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE KILL, IT'S THE THRILL OF THE HUNT"
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Edward429451
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Wow what a thread. I don't buy it that rape is brought about by sexual urges. I have sexual urges and don't rape. Rape is a violent crime and viloence is a learned behavior.
I say kill violent predators on the first offense and the rest of society will 'learn' that violence and rape is to be shyed away from.
Yeah, Hollywood portrays violence and sex as good things. They say its just make believe, a movie...thats BS. It's teaching people that violence is acceptable wether they realize it or not.
I say kill violent predators on the first offense and the rest of society will 'learn' that violence and rape is to be shyed away from.
Yeah, Hollywood portrays violence and sex as good things. They say its just make believe, a movie...thats BS. It's teaching people that violence is acceptable wether they realize it or not.
Handy
Handy, I don't know how old you are; but I am old enough to at least remember life in the 1960s. Rape is nothing new, but the freqency of rape in various forms - as well as child abductions to this end - have increased dramatically since that time.
The problems of the bending effect that sexually orientated material can have and it's other influences has been the subject of more than a few studies. Judith A. Reisman, PhD. has done some sterling work on this subject. See for example:
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/articles.htm
Handy, I don't know how old you are; but I am old enough to at least remember life in the 1960s. Rape is nothing new, but the freqency of rape in various forms - as well as child abductions to this end - have increased dramatically since that time.
The problems of the bending effect that sexually orientated material can have and it's other influences has been the subject of more than a few studies. Judith A. Reisman, PhD. has done some sterling work on this subject. See for example:
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/articles.htm
novus collectus
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Isn't that contradicting yourself? If violence in movies causes people to be more violent then just what do you think REALLY killing someone in public will do to people's spyche? I mean what next, have a rapist raped on T.V. for his crime to prevent those movie watchers from learning to rape from a violent movie and porn?
how's this for a trend:
1945 - There were fewer than 7,000 working TV sets in the country
1958 - There are 525 cable TV systems serving 450,000 subscribers
1964 - There are about 1 million homes wired for cable in the U.S. at the time.
1968 - Manufacturers churn out 11.4 million new TV sets, up from the 5.7 million receivers made in 1960.
1993 - By the start of year, 98% of U.S. households own at least one TV set, 64% have two or more sets.
http://www.high-techproductions.com/historyoftelevision.htm
1945 - There were fewer than 7,000 working TV sets in the country
1958 - There are 525 cable TV systems serving 450,000 subscribers
1964 - There are about 1 million homes wired for cable in the U.S. at the time.
1968 - Manufacturers churn out 11.4 million new TV sets, up from the 5.7 million receivers made in 1960.
1993 - By the start of year, 98% of U.S. households own at least one TV set, 64% have two or more sets.
http://www.high-techproductions.com/historyoftelevision.htm
anyone care to make a supposition here?
shootinstudent
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Interesting issue. I think a bit of history might shed some light on the issue: Is there any known example of a eunuch being guilty of rape (or even having slept with a woman)?
I think it's a pretty common sense approach if you consider the effect of castration on animals. Just look at the difference between a steer and a bull. Testosterone doesn't just make people want to have sex, it makes them aggressive too. That's why 'roid users can be so unpredictable and violent.
I'm not sure if it's exactly humane, but I think we definitely shouldn't throw chemical castration out the window as a possible solution. Much better than these registration laws (which I support, btw) alone.
I think it's a pretty common sense approach if you consider the effect of castration on animals. Just look at the difference between a steer and a bull. Testosterone doesn't just make people want to have sex, it makes them aggressive too. That's why 'roid users can be so unpredictable and violent.
I'm not sure if it's exactly humane, but I think we definitely shouldn't throw chemical castration out the window as a possible solution. Much better than these registration laws (which I support, btw) alone.
shootinstudent,
I think that what some of the folks are getting at, and I agree with them, is that it's not a sexual desire that drives allot of these folks but the act of violence.
Sure, you could cut off the nads of the rapist/child molestor or give them a shot that makes em shrink and fall off but that what is cut or falls off was only a tool. Just because they don't have the tool anylonger doesn't mean that they won't still commit acts of violence upon a women or a little girl/boy.
A male pig with it's nads removed can still feel the need to lash out at the pig that still has his (the breeder) because of space/land/ or just becasue issues (I've seen this in RL when I was growing up). The anger and the violence or the need to protect was still there, even though his "maleness" was disabled when he was a piglet.
I don't like saying this, due to I am a pro life person, but the best cure for most of these people is either a quick death or life in an institution.
We, as humans, have the worse curse ever set upon anything of this earth, and that is the power of thought, the power to choose. That is what drives us, not our "tools", our minds, our brains, our curse.
Wayne
I think that what some of the folks are getting at, and I agree with them, is that it's not a sexual desire that drives allot of these folks but the act of violence.
Sure, you could cut off the nads of the rapist/child molestor or give them a shot that makes em shrink and fall off but that what is cut or falls off was only a tool. Just because they don't have the tool anylonger doesn't mean that they won't still commit acts of violence upon a women or a little girl/boy.
A male pig with it's nads removed can still feel the need to lash out at the pig that still has his (the breeder) because of space/land/ or just becasue issues (I've seen this in RL when I was growing up). The anger and the violence or the need to protect was still there, even though his "maleness" was disabled when he was a piglet.
I don't like saying this, due to I am a pro life person, but the best cure for most of these people is either a quick death or life in an institution.
We, as humans, have the worse curse ever set upon anything of this earth, and that is the power of thought, the power to choose. That is what drives us, not our "tools", our minds, our brains, our curse.
Wayne
shootinstudent
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USP45usp,
I do agree, it's about violence. I also agree with you that the only sure solution is to take them out back or lock them up and throw away the key. But since the sure solution isn't going to happen anytime soon, I think the castration plan is something to consider.
It's true that they can still be violent, but they are definitely not as violent, wouldn't you agree? I don't know much about pigs, but I know the difference between a steer and a bull is night and day. Sure, a steer might still kick you or misbehave...but it sure is a lot easier to manage than a bull.
It's only a way to improve the situation, IMO, not a sure plan.
I do agree, it's about violence. I also agree with you that the only sure solution is to take them out back or lock them up and throw away the key. But since the sure solution isn't going to happen anytime soon, I think the castration plan is something to consider.
It's true that they can still be violent, but they are definitely not as violent, wouldn't you agree? I don't know much about pigs, but I know the difference between a steer and a bull is night and day. Sure, a steer might still kick you or misbehave...but it sure is a lot easier to manage than a bull.
It's only a way to improve the situation, IMO, not a sure plan.
novus collectus
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Not sure if this adds to the discussion but yes. But it depends on what kind of eunique. I don't want to get too graphic but some of the ones that guarded harems in the past were only partialy amputated (I'll let you guess what part) and the women loved having sex with them because they had longer staying power.
More testosterone effects the sex drive and even aggression in both men and women. What we can consider a controllable (after puberty) effect on us, the imbalanced (sick, perverted.....you choose which to call them) cannot call it a controllable effect. It may be what pushes them over the edge (or just adds to it)
shootinstudent
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Actually, the vast majority had only partial amputation. I've also never seen any evidence of them having sex with the women in the harems. I can't imagine how they would continue to be used as guards if that were the case. I have, however, seen "artifical aids" that were supposedly employed. Do you have any references for the idea that the eunuchs were sleeping with the women they guarded?
novus collectus
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It was on the down low 
No I cannot cite a proper reference. It was something I heard an historian say on the history channel on one of their shows dealing with the history of sex. Absolutely no personal research or study done by me on this subject to confirm what I had posted about the harem eunichs. (I even have trouble spelling uniques....euniques???)
No I cannot cite a proper reference. It was something I heard an historian say on the history channel on one of their shows dealing with the history of sex. Absolutely no personal research or study done by me on this subject to confirm what I had posted about the harem eunichs. (I even have trouble spelling uniques....euniques???)
shootinstudent
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LOL, np novus....still, I'd guess it's possible. I bet you're right that it did happen sometimes, I just don't imagine it was too common.
I LOVE history channel factoids, btw
I LOVE history channel factoids, btw
Handy
But we are looking at a specific area with a particular theme, and not insignificantly aimed squarely at a particular psychological and biological target zone.
Very true; fluctuating trends aside, nearly all crime has increased since the 60s. The progressive changes that really took off in the 60s cover many areas. In addition to all forms - and themes - in media and "entertainment" we can also cite a breakdown of discipline, and other things.
But we are looking at a specific area with a particular theme, and not insignificantly aimed squarely at a particular psychological and biological target zone.
shootinstudent
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Handy,
I understand that it's not about sex drive. What I'm saying is that castration also makes people less aggressive, at least on average.
I understand that it's not about sex drive. What I'm saying is that castration also makes people less aggressive, at least on average.
Edward429451
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I don't see any contradiction there. It's about crossing threshholds and what is perceived to be socially acceptable to an individual (on any level), then the degenerate mind dwells on it and rationalizes his urges to be acceptable behavior, and crosses the line from fantasy imaginations to behavior or actions.
For example, 15 years ago, no one ever got laid on tv sitcoms. All the innuendos were there but the line to behavior/action was never crossed. Extra marital affairs were sometimes evident in storylines but always in an unacceptable light. Homosexuals were ostracized and cast in a bad light. Nowadays, everyone gets laid, extramarital affairs and fornication is portrayed as a good thing in general or just girls searching for a good guy and mistakes in choosing wrong partners are sluffed off as acceptable and expectable to make mistakes in judgement along the way to marriage. Homosexuals are the norm now also on tv. Degenerate behavior is cast as acceptable and normal under the labels of 'lifestyle choices' or 'honest mistakes' and as long as you say you're sorry and you learned something from it, you're still acceptable to society. This set a bad precedent and is slowly tweaking the mindset of good morals. It is further reinforced as acceptable by movies who cast bad guys in roles where the storyline clearly makes them one of the good guys, and by association with peer groups who give positive reinforcement to line crossing...ie, if your drug free/smoke free kids hang out with peer groups who do not do drugs or smoke, they will likely not either. If they hang out with groups who do then they will also. They've had the message sent to them that the chosen behavior is indeed acceptable, so cross the line and implement it into their behavior. Behavioral boundries are tested everyday by kids and adults alike and if they get a door slammed in their face, they back off. If even psuedo acceptable, the consensus seems to be that lines can be crossed a little bit without harm, and that my friend is total BS. The morals are trashed at that point and they'll look to the next line to be crossed. It's incrementalism to destroy good values & behavior.
novus collectus
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I can see what you're saying in the quote above. And there may be some truth to it........for borderline cases and borderline case are (IMO) very few (per capita). The rapists (by the way what you call degenerate I don't, but I know that we agree that child molestors and rapist are) in most cases are already way beyond the line.
The contradiction I was refering to was that if you think that public fiction about violence causes crime then by that logic, the guy you kill for rape that who's death you publicise will do the same. It will show some borderline, fantasy imagining, killer to rationalise that if the state has no value for life then why should he?
As for the rest of what you said all I will say is that they used almost the EXACT same arguments when "Ladie Chatterly's Lover" was publishe 80 years ago, and they also used those arguments when women started riding bicycles a 110 years ago. Our society didn't end then and it won't when two gay guys kiss on tv. (something I personally don't want to see and makes me sick, but I will fight for their right to do so)
respectfully, and this is not meant to be a flame.
Fred Hansen
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That is what the state shows children currently. That it doesn't value life. If the people did value life they would demand the immediate eradication of those who have self-selected to demonstrate their depraved indifference for human life. The people would eradicate these animals post-haste. Then, as in the case of child molesters, no other child's life would be destroyed by the same predator. What we as the "state" tell children now is "Hey kid, we just don't care. Ol' Aqualung over there - and the revolving door on his cushy cell - is far more important than your safety."
Or as my buddy Randy's bumpersticker should say: "A.I.D.S., Abortion, Euthanasia... Don't Liberals Just Kill Ya?"
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