Birth control can help stop rapists

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Snacktrack has a valid argument. I question it's true effectiveness and, assuming it does work, how we would keep them on it? What is the cost of a lifetime of medication as opposed to a life in prison?
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Well, thank you F150. In the research I found that injections would cost $21 a day as opposed to $44 a day for incarceration. To me though the cost doesnt just involve money, it involves innocent victims, which to me is priceless.

Of more than 700 Danish sex offenders castrated following multiple convictions, relapse rates dropped from between 17% and 50% to just 2%. A Norwegian study showed the same for selected male and female sex offenders (the women had their ovaries removed). In smaller studies in Scandinavia and Italy, chemical castration was equally effective in some groups of volunteer prisoners, with the most dramatic reductions among pedophiles.

From %50 to %2 , someone explain away that for me?

I disagree that either Rape or Child Molestation is a crime driven by sexual urges. There are many times that I've been incredibly attracted to a woman and didn't rape her. Horny doesn't equate to violent.
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You are comparing yourself, a normal male(hopefully :D ) to a multiple sex offender, that at all costs will act out on those urges. Imagine if those urges you had were multipled by tenfold? There isnt just one level of arousal, there is varying degrees. Increasing your testosterone level is what makes this level increase.
 
If the criminals, or potential criminals, knew their only punishment was forced medication they would be coming out of the woodwork without fear of major consequences.
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I disagree. These people do not want to change. They consider their behavior to be normal, and themselves to be above the law.

If they had respect for the law or considered their behavior deviant, they would control it. I cannot absolve a person from the responsibility of his actions, regardless of the excuse given. To do that is to diminish the crime and the effect on the victim and their family.

When a person has a cancer, they go to a surgeon and have it removed. When society has a cancer like this, society should do the same, not make excuses and try to find a way to live with it.

I found that injections would cost $21 a day as opposed to $44 a day for incarceration.
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If cost is such a factor, you can get 20 feet of rope for $20, and save a buck.
 
chemical castration was equally effective in some groups of volunteer prisoners, with the most dramatic reductions among pedophiles.
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From %50 to %2 , someone explain away that for me?
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Maybe they were afraid of what would happen to them NEXT time!! :D

I don't know if anyone has watched the 1970's movie "A Clockwork Orange" but if you do then I think that this would add a lot to this discussion. I just found out the other day that the director (or the writer of the book, can't remember) did the movie (or book) because a member of his family just got violently raped. The movie was basically about how they made a rapist feel violently sick every time he had a violent thought.
 
"Imagine if those urges you had were multipled by tenfold?"

They were- It was a common affliction among men called called adolesence!
Lasted from 11 til I was 22.
 
I'm not sure the "better living through chemistry" approach is the solution to this particular problem. My main concern would be what character/genetic/environmentally produced flaw we'd try to cure next? Sexual orientation? Aggression? Smoking? Etc. etc.

Semper Fi,
Mike F.
 
lead injections......for those begging for same...

I wish more victims had been armed - now if that were only pepper spray that works too...... I would hope a 38 would curb the attackers urge a little more than injections. ;)
 
Snacktrack,
Yes I do agree with you Blues Man people need to be held accountable for their actions. But I am simply saying, if there is a treatment that can help them not have these sexual urges in the first place, argue to me that a treatment that would control these sexual desires would not be beneficial?
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I guess you missed all the discussion about a lack of connection between violent rape and sexuality.

There is no connection. Rapists don't lose the "urge" to do something violent just because they are no longer horney. I don't know why you insist on treating the two impulses as the same.
 
I don't know if anyone has watched the 1970's movie "A Clockwork Orange" but if you do then I think that this would add a lot to this discussion.
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As in most cases the book outshines the movie, though the movie has considerable depth in this case. The major theme of the book is summed up in this quote:
If a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man.
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Anthony Burgess is certainly not the first person to observe this, but nonetheless it seems like it often needs repeating.

The prison chaplain in the story wonders aloud
What does God want? Does God want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a man who chooses the bad perhaps in some way better than a man who has the good imposed upon him?
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It's all about freedom. Anthony Burgess wrote the book due to misgivings he had about socialism and what it was doing to his beloved England. It is no accident that Nadsat (the teen slang the kids use in the book) is based largely upon Russian. The character who is crippled while his wife is being raped has a book named "A Clockwork Orange" on his shelf in which Alex (the main character) reads "The attempt to impose upon man, a creature of growth and capable of sweetness, to ooze juicily at the last round the bearded lips of God, to attempt to impose, I say, laws and conditions appropriate to a mechanical creation, against this I raise my sword-pen.” And Alex just doesn't "get it". Being a child of a socialist distopia he never could.

The government, in its attempt to make Alex a useful part of the hive, takes away (as an unintended consequence) the one thing of beauty (classical music) that Alex actually had an appreciation for. Funny how that works. Take a subjective thing like an impulse or an "urge", or even an appreciation in a person and then try to tweak it through some whiz-bang new and improved way of dealing with the human condition, and have everything come out right.

Never going to work. Not now, not a billion years from now.

People alone are responsible for what they do.
 
ok, i have finally got this one figured out:

saying that taking away sexual drive will prevent rapes is like saying taking away guns will prevent murders.

sorry, blonde, little slow, i there now
 
saying that taking away sexual drive will prevent rapes is like saying taking away guns will prevent murders.
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thats what you are saying. its more like, "taking away the desire to kill will prevent murders." i think what you were also saying was that magazines and MTV cause rapes.
 
Rape is a crime of violence. If you remove the means to have sex, you still have the desire to do violence. You can expect the next penetration to be done with a knife. There is only one way to make sure that a person will stop violent behavior.
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So add a full frontal lobotomy to the mix and "poof" away go the violent tendencies also.
 
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Saying that "sexual media causes rape" is about as sophisticated as saying "guns cause violence".
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Not quite the same. Media orientated for sexual arousal has a direct stimulating effect based on human psychology and biology. Although I would agree that rape is often a crime of violence, I would not buy the idea that it is even half the time disconnected from an uncontrolled urge for sexual gratification. Many rapes are committed where the actor knows the victim, and often already has some relationship with them - as opposed to the random street or park assault. Those that occur during burglaries etc might be seen as more opportunistic.

Pornography has been used politically for a long time for it's debasing effect. I find it really odd that people can not draw even the simplist correlation between the political revolution since the early 60s and crime.

Media issues aside though, corporal punishment for minor offenses and long prison sentences with hard labor would deter many repeat offenders. The death penalty would be fitting in many cases as well. The last line of defense of course is a freely armed populace, creating a potential immediate consequence to the street and "other crime-related" assaults.
 
Actually, I would argue that the first line of defense has been since ancient times to societies who had one, a freely armed populace. It is only when a victim fails to avail themselves of their rights to arms does all the rest of the messy stuff with police, jails, juries, and judges become necessary.

It is hard to carry out plans for rape when you have an extra hole in your body.
 
"saying that taking away sexual drive will prevent rapes is like saying taking away guns will prevent murders."

perhaps i should rephrase:

removing guns does not prevent murders, therefore
removing sexual drive does not prevent rapes.


i have come to this conclusion based on information provided in this thread by folks who appear to have more firsthand knowledge and experience on the subject than myself.
 
If you don't like the above, or my original statement along the same lines, here's the nuts and bolts:


A rapist is a violent offender who will hurt members of society with little provocation if there is something he wants. If he no longer has a sex drive, there will still be things he wants and he still understands that violence is the easy and enjoyable way to get them.

A former rapist without a penis will simply resort to some other form of torture. Perhaps something much worse. All we've done in castrating him is turned a rapist into some unpredictable type of violent criminal. Hardly a good trade.



This idea that sexual media causes rape is extremely offensive. There is NO amount of porn or whatever else that would cause a normal man to attack a woman. By Lak's thinking, we could prevent or lower rape if our society was like Saudi Arabia - no exposed woman anywhere. Hint: It doesn't work like that.

There is no way to remove every "trigger" for a diseased mind. I refuse to live in a society that would attempt such a thing.


Playboy does not create a rapist. Guns do not create murders. If you feel that sexual media is bad because it MIGHT contribute to rape, then you must also conclude that gun media is just as dangerous.
 
There is no way to remove every "trigger" for a diseased mind. I refuse to live in a society that would attempt such a thing.
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if the current trend of drugging away our problems continues we may end up with such a society. as we speak, government programs are attempting to be implemented in order to psychologically test and drug children at a very young age.
 
Well the only problem with Tamara's solution is that the intended victims are often young girls, and they are unable to defend themselves with a firearm.
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Well, gosh, I see a simple solution for this technical glitch, too. ;)
 
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